Some people hate it, some people love it, but undoubtedly it is preferred in a wide variety of situations, from banners and online videos to rich internet applications. I’m talking about Flash of course. Take the comic strip below as an example. It was animated with BannerSnack and output as a SWF file. Click to play it.

Pretty interactive, for a comic strip, huh?

But seriously, the recent conflict between Apple and Adobe brought into discussion the role (and ultimately the necessity) of Flash. What do you think about Flash content? Will Flash disappear or it will continue to strive along with other technologies such as JavaScript or HTML5? Comment and you may win a 1-year subscription to BannerSnack.

The Giveaway

Tell us what you think about Flash in the comments section and you may win one of the three 1-year BannerSnack licenses. The winners will be chosen randomly on July 9, 2010.

BannerSnack is an online application that allows non-Flash developers to create animated interactive Flash content such as banners, website headers and intros, and even microsites.

363 Comments

Michael Caputo
Jul 1, 2010 at 6:56 pm

Love the comic!

Shane
Jul 1, 2010 at 6:56 pm

I think with the growing support of portable media devices and platforms (such as iPod & iPad) are forcing flash out of the playing field. Now that CSS3/HTML5 are here we don’t really need flash all that much anymore.

Sean
Jul 1, 2010 at 6:56 pm

PS – If I win, pass the prize along to someone else. I don’t really need the service, so it should be in the hands of someone who will use it.

Andrew
Jul 1, 2010 at 6:58 pm

I think Flash is still a valuable web platform, however I firmly believe that it should only be used when necessary. The problem with Flash is that the client needs the plugin to use it, even with HTML5, you still need a supported browser. It took IE6 years to lose market share (and it’s still hanging out at around 5%), just imagine how long it will take for HTML5 to gain at least 90%… Flash has already accomplished this feat.

Jo
Jul 1, 2010 at 7:18 pm

While it’s true that the industry has discussed the merits and limitations of Flash for years, it’s only since Apple (AKA Steve Jobs) decided not to support it on Apple’s mobile platform that the whole thing has been blown out of proportion (Monkey see, monkey do.) Until an open platform comes along that replicates Flash functionality – Flash isn’t going anywhere. Like it or not there are some things that still can’t be done with HTML5 or Javascript frameworks (I’m thinking complex and interactive, sequential animations.) Anyone who thinks you can duplicate everything you can do with Flash in HTML5/JS really doesn’t understand the limitations. Even YouTube have now stated that HTML5 just wont cut it for video (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/why_youtube_still_uses_flash/) Flash might not be here to stay forever but it’s here for the forceable future. I also agree that many people who bitch about Flash, are those who don’t know how to program efficiently with it.

Sean Rice
Jul 1, 2010 at 7:19 pm

Honestly, I don’t think Flash will disappear anytime soon. The HTML5 Canvas element does a lot that flash can do, but it’s clunky and I haven’t seen any GUI editor for it like there is for Flash (somebody PLEASE make one!). I suppose if I want to do some vector character animation, I can export it to a video file and use the HTML5 video element, but then the filesize would be way larger than necessary and any interactivity would be lost. Seems counterintuitive to me!

For an example of flash that couldn’t be done (easily) with just html5 and javascipt, see homestarrunner.com.

As for doing video, I hope that we get a format standard that all the browsers can use without patent issues.

Waldemar
Jul 1, 2010 at 7:31 pm

I think flash has it uses somewhere but it can’t realistically be replaced by HTML 5. I would however like flash to go away.

James George
Jul 1, 2010 at 7:52 pm

Flash doesn’t suck. When used properly, it can create dynamic effects. I am not expert, but I use Flash to create simple banners for clients. Check out the large animated ad that I created on http://southernkitchenstn.com. It adds a little visual interest to an otherwise boring ad. It really calls attention to their new consultant offering, and makes it highly noticeable.

Flash is just a tool to be used to achieve certain goals. While there may be some trouble in certain instances, it is still a viable tool to call attention to a special feature.

James W
Jul 1, 2010 at 8:30 pm

Flash has turned into THE cross-platform video player, so all the recent debate has been centred around how best to play video on every platform.

Flash has terribly bad performance playing video on Macs compared to other platforms, and Adobe hasn’t bothered to put any effort into fixing this. It’s no wonder Steve didn’t want a poorly-performing technology affecting the iPhone’s reputation – they’re doing just fine with the “You’re holding it wrong” campaign.

Every single flash video I’ve ever watched on a Mac uses almost 100% of the cpu, compared to under 10% for HTML5 video. I’m amazed Adobe is treating Macs so badly and then being surprised when Apple throws all their stuff on the lawn and changes the locks.

The reason HTML5 hasn’t taken over is because a) IE just won’t die, and b) the browser creators can’t agree on one codec. H.264 is the most common, but it has licensing attached which Firefox isn’t going to implement.

There are some animation technologies like canvas which could replace most Flash functionality, but they’re not widely supported yet. We’re basically stuck with Flash until ALL browsers provide alternates.

charly
Jul 1, 2010 at 8:35 pm

I m of the one who think that flash is losing tracks compare to evolution of HTML5 and CSS3.
Fast connection allow visually more astonishing flash site but they are still not referenced on search engine.
What the point having great site if limited people can see it?

About flash banner, as it can be achieve nore neatly with javascript library, i don’t see the point…

Ian O'Dea
Jul 1, 2010 at 8:55 pm

I don’t think Flash is going to disappear, but I do believe that its usage will dramatically shrink. HTML5/Javascript will rise up to create all-new methods of doing many of the things Flash was a band-aid for previously (video streaming, webcam stuff, et cetera) in a more accessible, designer-friendly manner (reflecting the shift towards those things being standard content formats instead of special pieces).

At the same time, Flash/Actionscript will be used for the kinds of things that it’s more necessary for (such as augmented reality pieces that run in-browser), and will be free to flourish there.

Wynne
Jul 1, 2010 at 9:27 pm

Flash vs Html5/JavaScript/Canvas/CSS3. All parties have their own advantages and disadvantages. I believe these technologies will continue to co-exist for years to come. The use of these technologies should be decided on a per-situation basis – taking audience and function into consideration.

jasonmcleod
Jul 1, 2010 at 9:37 pm

I’m a full time web developer. Before I realized the power of javascript (which seems to just get better and better) I was really into flash. I liked it because I was able to write full blown games and quickly setup animations. From the start I found myself using actionscript instead of the timeline to do so. Then came the tween libraries which made that even more appealing. Flash was my first choice for interesting navigation and they came together very quickly. However, today, many years after my flash projects I can pretty much say goodbye and never look back.. The frustrations with developing with flash outweigh it’s advantages. Especially having to manage someone else’s flash file, it’s a nightmare! Do you have the fla? Do you have all the fonts, artwork, and plugins they used while authoring? Do you have a few hours to figure out where the hell all the code is? I don’t. Not to mention all the headaches of setting up paths to all your external assets.

For over a year and a half I’ve been able to, for lack of better words, fool my clients into thinking their sites have flash content thanks to javascript libraries like jQuery.

Do I think flash will suddenly die? No, it will be here for a long time. Until HTML5 is fully supported, people will continue to use flash as a way to deliver interactive content, but after that I see it’s popularity fading out pretty quickly.

Mark Busnelli Jr
Jul 1, 2010 at 9:42 pm

Flash definitely has it’s place, but it’s quickly and utterly diminishing. The power of jQuery and other Javascript libraries are completely changing the game. For Web Applications, Flash still has a place and for banners. But when I was first learning how to create fast loading and SEM friendly websites, I never got into flash. I’m really glad that I didn’t learn too much about Flash because now 8 years later the Flash hold on the market is quickly diminishing. I would much rather learn about what’s new and fresh and SEM friendly, neither which Flash ever was.

I think it will be more of a specialized market size for Flash moving forward. That doesn’t make it bad or anything like that, just that there are better and more efficient ways of doing things Flash has always taken care of in the past.

Eduardo
Jul 1, 2010 at 9:57 pm

I think what the people really hate is the poor implementation of the tools, be it flash or HTML5 if your banner is too intrusive and out of place it will be dismissed at best and hated at worst.

quesadillaap
Jul 1, 2010 at 10:25 pm

I think as long as designers continue to move away from learning code, letting developers do the work, Flash will still be here. It lets them use the GUI system to make animations that can be used for cool banners and fun web applications like social games. Artists make things look fun, developers make it function. But that’s only taking web into consideration, lets not forget that Flash provides a platform for tv animation. I have quite a few friends who actually have an opportunity to do 2D animation because Flash exists. It allows for MUCH cheaper production and is intuitive enough for the average right brainer. So I believe Flash still plays a big role in the world.

Sergio Monterrubio
Jul 1, 2010 at 10:35 pm

Sometimes I do wish the iphone had flash. myspace music. hulu.

Val
Jul 1, 2010 at 11:17 pm

Personally I don’t like flash simply because I don’t understand why a simple flash app can cause my processor to burn up to 88 degrees C. That is literally hot enough to fry an egg!

Chris
Jul 1, 2010 at 11:34 pm

Flash is just a tool guys, which was (and still is) very used, for both banner/animations and web apps development. And the true is that it is not perfect, but, what app is perfect? None. BTW, It’s very natural that new alternatives to Flash be appearing, but finally if Flash will stay or not, it is something that will happen based on decision of people who will decide keep using it or not (and what new Flash candy Adobe be planning to offer). That’s it.

David
Jul 2, 2010 at 12:51 am

I like Flash, sometimes getting complex animations can be done within a few hours (use of timeline and librairies) but sometimes for a simple one i just switch to jQuery and get it done within a few line of codes only (instead of getting along with all Flash procedures..)
I barely saw the power of CSS transitions and HTML5 for animation. I’m getting preference using these ’cause Flash is not always accessible(mobile devices etc)..and for low CPU users it is sooo annoying..

serj
Jul 2, 2010 at 1:22 am

You have to learn them both and pick the right tool for the job. To the most of the people commenting here and on other design blogs… stop talking from what you read … flash it’s here to will stay and also the html/css animations are more than welcome.

Steve Chen
Jul 2, 2010 at 2:22 am

Flash has its place since there are likely still some functionality that cannot be replaced by html5, but a large chunk of its market will be replaced by html5. Abusing the interactivity and the animation nature of Flash is unavoidable, even html5’s interactivity and animation ability will be abused. But the fact that Flash takes up too much CPU power is simply annoying. I have encountered countless times of Flash becoming unstable and stall computers. So often that I prefer to do without Flash for all my browsing. Only turn it on when necessary. When designing sites, I would also avoid Flash as much as I can because I do not want other people to endure the horrible experience.

Dan Leech
Jul 2, 2010 at 2:34 am

Strictly as a systems integrator working on virtualised desktops, I’m pushing for a more html5 driven Internet. Getting Flash to work (and look good) on virtual machines is a pain.

On the other hand, there are certain situations where Flash is more appropriate; bespoke applications, Intranet tools and mobile apps (for those hack-happy Android fans).

I think we’ll see both technologies progress but Flash will become marginalised and more specialist, while html5 will become the ubiquitous, known-by-all standard.

Stikyo
Jul 2, 2010 at 3:10 am

I think that Flash will continue to strive along with other technologies, it has a useful purpose (banners, creative stuff, GAMES!, Photo Snack… etc.)
Especially games…

Jacob Lower
Jul 2, 2010 at 3:18 am

I’m a flash developer. I create websites using just actionscript and a bit of js, and I can say that most of the times published content is really light as kB, but very heavy as process to be executed by an inappropriate hardware. I think that’s just a matter of time. People will have a better hardware and Adobe will do the rest.

Boutdepain
Jul 2, 2010 at 3:26 am

Flash wasn’t made to create advertising banners nor entire websites… It was born to make 2d animations. To make cartoons, animations, 2d games, interractive things like that, Flash offers a great variety of possibility.
As every time, the commercial choice of some industry majors change the face of the world: due to a ton of security bugs and bad implementation of MS IE and ‘of course’ (…!) a bad publicity from God… s’cuz MS! and associations between MS-Adobe, the evolution of javascript was severely reduced in the 90′ (we already were able to make a lot of animated and interractive things in these old times, kids!!).
And due to some exited marketing guys who love make money with a rapid and poor work and the lack of knowing of people, Adobe Flash gew on this.
It’s not bad. Even if I promote and participate in open source, I don’t think proprietary systems are bad, but I think we must fight against those industry and comercial company like MS, Adobe or others who tries impose there standards by mass media and publicity.
– Ho! God! PNG is a sh*t! I can’t see it’s transparency in my beautifull IE on my super MSWin Ultimate i try to run on my expensive Celeron! ….I’ll switch to Flash!!…
– WhaaAAaaaAAAaaatTTtTtTTT?????!!!!! You say you are a designer and you don’t work on a Mac?????……..!!!!!!!!! (hooooo! god! I’m stained!)
HTML, CSS, SVG, SMIL, PNG, etc (and JavaScript) are not ‘others’ nor ‘alternative’ solutions, they are standard maintain by community (even if there is companies implied, they are sponsors).
So I’m glad to see the growth of possibility of HTML/CSS/canvas/Javascript and think, about web, that designers should know code and possibilities, this is the essence of the web and it’s community . Developpers are for developping and create code.
So, because Flash exist and have possibilities, because HTML/CSS/JavaScipt/Canvas exists and have possibilities, and because some others possibilities I don’t nkow now may be exist, I think this one are nor the best nor the bad, but ALL exist.
(but because Flash technology and files are closed code (for a big part) and restricted licenced, other programs made to create flash things will never be able to concurrence Adobe)

I’ll always prefer HTML/CSS/… and open and standard compliants solutions.

About Flash (<- why I this word get a uppercase? is it proprietary? I’ll verify),
so, about Flash banners, I think it’s a disturbing annoyance made by marketing fools to hammer potential consumers, a reduction of it’s propagation would be great (due to there cpu consumption and security holes) but as web visitors we can’t do anything against otherwise use FF and a addon witch block these animations for example.
As web designers/builders, we have a real responsability…

Boutdepain
Jul 2, 2010 at 3:28 am

Oh! And good animation!
Glad to see alternative programs…
I run on their site!!… gnark! gnark! ;)

(and sory for my poor english…)

karol
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:04 am

I guess it’ll still be around for some time, or might even stay for decades. I really hate it, but sometimes there is no other way around building animations, online games etc.

Boutdepain
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:07 am

@Jacob
Hope Adobe gives you money to say that!
You just got the mood I denounced: I AM THE BEST, if others can’t follow MY way, it’s just caus’ they are poor sh*ts and I’ll shoot them to force them to go my way…
Adobe must optimise their solutions (if they want to live), licences are paid for that!
There are a lot of different people on the earth… Not just one is better than others and implies others are under men…

luis
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:07 am

if I would win I would not use it, so the point is time wasted

Web Design
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:27 am

I am not a fan of Flash, but definitely something will not disappear in the near future…

Boutdepain
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:30 am

OK, I saw!
Personaly, even if I think web apps are great technology, I’ll never use a one like that to make a banner for a client…
Upload licenced material (photos ,typos, texts…) and corporates infos on a server I know nothing nor where it is? Creating material but knowing not if someone can use it without my permission? NO WAY!!
Great idea and maybe powerfull app, but not to create copyrighted material…
(and I didn’t really understoot… it’s free but I must register? and there are things to pay?… I’m poor stupid guy maybe!)

TiS
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:43 am

It’s not that flash is bad or evil. But it’s a matter of knowing the tools.
Nowadays Web developers are divided in two groups. One group says that flash is bad and should be avoided at all costs. Second group – well, often doesn’t think or know other way, but puts flash in everything.

Both groups are wrong.

There are things flash is good at – namely rich client applications, places where uniform view regardless of platform is critical, more complex interactive animations, banners… Some of these things can be done using JS, but some not, and some have severe compatibility issues.

On the other hand, for things like the menus, and parts of page logic, using Flash is one of the worst ideas. Surely, it looks. But looks is all it has. Flash is a visual medium, moreover, relying heavily on the presence of the mouse, whereas page operations should be available for much wider range of devices – for example touch phones (they may have flash, they DO NOT have a mouse), disabled people (for blind ones flash navigation is… bad idea) et caetera.

Summing up – I don’t think flash will perish. But I think and hope that it will be moved to areas suited for it, so Flash and HTML will co-exist, not trying to replace each other in areas where the other is better suited for.

Alexandre
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:59 am

Modern Web should be open to everybody… And fact is – Flash isn’t semantic…
Plus 90% of Flash developers create absolut crappy code…
Flash is not worth to come along in the Web of the Future….

Chris
Jul 2, 2010 at 5:13 am

What i like about flash is the simplicity with which some complex animations can be achieved. timelines / tweens / libraries can allow for very complex things without being even THAT good with coding.

That said, i still prefer to use Js / JQuery whenever possible on the web because it is more accessible (and sume users purposedly block flash because of ads).

of course HTML 5 can seem to threaten flash on some level but as youtube put it recently, flash has some more time before the tech comes to maturity (and for browsers to follow). still, i think even then flash will still be required for some applications.

Web Designer Evan Skuthorpe
Jul 2, 2010 at 5:53 am

flash is great, it has its purposes but whole websites are not one of them…

oh… and did someone say jquery is accesible? ha!

William Bowden
Jul 2, 2010 at 5:58 am

Flash like the 1990 movie should stay in the past the remakes are all a bit bloated and dull.
Still Shantanu Narayen the mercyless still claims that his is the open source one not CSS3 of course it is you only have to buy Adobe FireWorks and you are open to create flash movies silly me thinking that open source meant free to use I forget you have an upfront payment.

Florian
Jul 2, 2010 at 6:56 am

I like flash for visual prototyping of apps in my design progress… but in the development of the final product i try to avoyd flash… i don’t want to force my users todownload any plugins. and there are many people blocking flash in there browser – for a good reason.

to the comic strip above: my expierience is that most designers like flash but the programmers don’t…

tomas
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:09 am

Some people seem to be drinking some kool-aid. While some things from flash can be replicated in HTML5 and JavaScript, we are still years away from doing some of the more complex things that flash can do, in standard HTML (and another 10 years till IE supports it, it feels like). I’m not a huge flash fan, but it has its place. I encourage others to use HTML5 as an option over flash when possible, but don’t kill yourself in the process, people need to get out of the ‘xyz is evil, im never touching it’ camp and start to look for balance, and this doesnt just go for flash, or even just tech, close-mindedness holds us all back.

Yes, I use a mac, but no, I don’t believe everything that a man in a mock turtleneck and jeans wants to tell me, and this idea that HTML5 can replace flash is a complete fallacy, maybe in 6, but 5, no.

PS, I don’t need the prize, pass it along if I am drawn

Adeel Ejaz
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:18 am

My problem is less to do with Flash and more to with its implementation. To be precise, its half-baked novice implementation. Its much like a badly developed website.

But I just cannot ignore the lack of development by Adobe. I believe it is because there was lack of competition for them, which is clear now as Adobe has developed and enhanced (recent one being GPU computing) in past two years than ever before.

Waheed Akhtar
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:19 am

I like flash and don’t think it will die.

Larry
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:26 am

Flash has its place as a physics based application, which is where it should sit and behave. For obvious SEO, and accessibility reasons – it should be avoided for building pages, and instead reserved for animation, applications, and games – areas that CSS, js, and html should not be concerned with.

Jon B
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:27 am

The simple fact is, HTML5, CSS3 and JS combined can do a lot of what Flash is used for online – and this is good. But there is still a lot of advanced applications, or sites where Flash functionality cannot be replicated or even equalled in anyway – Video is one of them, 3D is another, vector graphics another, and advanced pixel manipulation effects. What about HTML 5 Video, webkit 3D transform extensions, WebGL, SVG, and Canvas I here you ask? These things are still developing, functionality and features are less than Flash (in the case of video, variable streaming methods, copy protection, subtitles…) and support is very sketchy compared to the ubiquity of Flash. One day, when W3C has finalised everything, vendors have dropped their speicifc prefixes, browsers have implemented the features and improved their performance speed, and user’s have been given a couple of years to upgrade their systems and browsers… On this day – it will be ready, right now however, it’s something that can only be used for specific projects targetting specific browsers, platforms or audiences. Flash may slowly move off the web like Java applets did before it. Is Java dead? Hell no, will Flash as a platform die in the next 5 or 10 years? Not likely – those who claim otherwise are obviously not aware of how many places it’s integrated – it’s more than just crappy web adverts and image slideshows ;)

Tamsyn
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:30 am

I’m torn – there’s nothing quite as engaging as really good quality flash! It makes me feel like i’m cheating on something… but the flashing banners and messy half-baked concepts that are now illustrating there way all across my online experience really rub me up th wrong way.

Ignaty Nikulin
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:30 am

What I can say? Hm… I can say that I need to deactivate “ClickForFlash” Safari plug-in to watch it because new 10.1 Flash player very often kills my Safari.

Any more questions?

Jon B
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:34 am

Incidentally in my day job developing websites barely touch flash anymore (maybe 3 times a year) – the majority of websites do not benefit from flash technology – but amongst those that do are some of the more engaging and “woah, that’s so f**king cool” experiences on the web. The cool stuff we are trying to do with JS, CSS3 and HTML5 is largely inspired by the cool stuff people have been doing in Flash for years – Flash is the father, HTML5/CSS3/JS the son, and Java (applets)… well not quite the holy ghost, but definitely old granpappy! Have some respect all you young upstarts!

Jon B
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:38 am

Oh, and I really don’t want a BannerSnack license lol, …does anybody? I wonder what that says about Flash online…

Scarzzurs
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:53 am

Flash seem to be able to do a lot of things that aren’t otherwise possible or as easily achieved. As a result many animated advertisement banners are made of flash.

I like, one of the characters in the comic, feel that all my attention is drawn way too much towards these. As a result i have installed a small plugin/addon in all my browsers that stops flash objects from loading till i grant the individual element or web page load-access.

From a technical point of view flash has a lot of problems on certain systems. But then again, is there a better cross-platform alternative?
However while i have all this against flash, i still have the ability to watch flash movies installed on my system and some websites like Beatport.com really use flash to the fullest and gain amazing results with it.

So as a generally rule i think flash may have it’s use, but it overused for minor things insignificant things. Oh and advertisement is almost always annoying… :-P

Seannachie
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:55 am

I don’t see Flash disappearing anytime soon. Many relatively simple animations can be done using a combination of HTML/CSS/JavaScript (jQuery or a similar framework), and the HTML5 canvas object expands that ability, but many advanced animations will still require a powerful tool like Flash for efficient implementation. Perhaps future developments (HTML5 canvas tools?) will pose a bigger threat to Flash, but it will be around for years to come. =)

Jordan Walker
Jul 2, 2010 at 8:00 am

Simply impressive implementation of a flash banner.

Calvin Tennant
Jul 2, 2010 at 8:08 am

Wow, what a biased discussion. “I’ll be giving away (enter flash product here), but you have to tell me if you like it or not before you win”. Obviously this is going to attract a more ‘flash based’ crowd. And whos idea was it that designers can’t use flash. I’ve been using flash since I was fifteen, they teach it in high school. I currently attend George Brown College for Graphic Design and they teach it there too. Its a standard part of a resume as far as I’m concerned, and not an impressive one.

Most of what people use flash for can be achieved with jquery and html5. Flash’s market used to be anyone who wanted to do audio, video, or heavily interactive elements (games mostly). With the onslaught of html5, this market is reduced to one third of what it used to be. Don’t think adobe dosen’t know that either, flash is becoming much more developer based. In the coming releases you’re going to see a lot more emphasis on gaming in the flash platform.

Regardless of what your opinion is, flash is on its way out. Please don’t give me the BannerStack subscription.

Nicolas Franz
Jul 2, 2010 at 8:09 am

Hi Nick! Honestly, I see that all that battle between Adobe and Apple made something clear: Flash will continue as an excellent resource/language (A.Script) for softwares, games and apps, but not for website development specifically.

Maybe this would change, but even the sintax on A.S., the development GUI and others related to Flash (like the new Catalyst) doesn’t attend all web developers needs. But they’re exactly what a Software Developer, App Developer needs.

Anyway, HTML5, JavaScript and others will make Adobe worry a little more about improving Flash in both ways (web and software dev), or just one (software dev.)

Regards!

Jona
Jul 2, 2010 at 8:30 am

Flash is better for high effects and animation, but cannot be used to build loud content websites. So there’s for me no conflict between flash and HTML5/CSS3/JS, they’re just tools, you only have to choose which tool to use in wich case.

Boutdepain
Jul 2, 2010 at 9:39 am

I’m not very surprised to see some young people who cried that Flash is father of everything (I can’t claim! they were born with MS and Adobe….) and sit on the argument that others are still in development… but the truth is: if MS, Adobe and firends stop to try to copy others and promote the result with the magic wand of marketing and don’t hesitate to claim the lack of existence of others, so the are the only solutions…. maybe the origin wouldn’t be still in development.
… and who can show me a real finished program (not still in development)?
Java Applet was gand’pa stuff! OK!
But without that, Java would not exist! and JavaScript! and and Adobe AIR! and .NET! and SilverLight!
Oh my!… I’ll never sleep!… My parents are not mine!!! (Jesus! Clean little Flanders I am, even if I run in Church and prey a lot, I’ll still be the son of…. Dirty Homer!!) lol
Don’t try to change the history, kids!
Revisionism rings poorly…

Yousuf El-Miniawi
Jul 2, 2010 at 10:31 am

After so much support and product delievered through the medium that is Flash, I feel that it is a technology that will not be used for mainstream media delivery in the near future. It won’t completely dissapear, however I feel that it has “worn its welcome” so to speak.

Tiko
Jul 2, 2010 at 10:49 am

iphone, ipad and ipod are some very popular devices these days. This is the only reason I try not to use Flash as much as possible when it comes to web design.

Justin Burridge
Jul 2, 2010 at 10:59 am

I think it all depends on how the designer is using it. Flash can be very annoying if you make it to flashy and blinky. Flash can be used for previews when it automatically scrolls through different pictures although javascript can be used for the same thing.. In my opinion flash should mainly be used for banners.

Javascript and HTML5 have yet to replace flash when it comes to more advance things like banners. Yeah it can distract the reader from the important information but isn’t that what you want? If a reader is bored with your site you think they are going to want to stay on the page? Even if you do distract the reader from your fancy flash animation don’t you think they may come back another time to read the important stuff? Maybe multiple times?

Tyler
Jul 2, 2010 at 12:25 pm

I’m just waiting for someone to Tyler Durden the world so we can go back to the hunter/gatherer lifestyle. See how flash pans out for ya then.

camparito
Jul 2, 2010 at 1:41 pm

I’d like a license too!

Germán
Jul 2, 2010 at 2:17 pm

Flash it’s like drugs.
You must know when to stop using it.

benjamin
Jul 2, 2010 at 3:12 pm

Aside from the popularity for hating Flash, I think that it’s a powerful technology that has been over used, misused, and arrogantly distributed by Adobe. If you think about it, despite all of the awesome and powerful things that you can do with Flash, it also is behind many of the worst practices on line.

Consider this brief list:

1. Smashing all content into the top of the page to prevent scrolling. Thus creating the ridiculous and false belief that having to scroll a page is bad.

2. Using micro pixel text set at 9, 8, 7 or even 6 px for content. Again, I believe this is part of the stupid kill the scroll practice and that I think designers thought that super small type was cool for a while.

3. Flash splash pages that prevented visitors from getting to content right away.

4. Waiting forever for a flash page to load before you can see or do anything.

5. Crippling SEO with a fully Flash website.

6. Pissing off or confusing visitors with over imaginative or just ill crafted navigation.

7. Visiting a Flash site or watching a video on a Flash player that totally red lines your computer’s CPU thus nuking your battery.

The lack of web standards at the time of the boom of Flash had a lot to do with it’s now severely tainted reputation. However, we have Flash to thank for speeding up and solidifying the need for web standards, best practice, usability and readability. And had Adobe invested in finding a way to prevent their FlashPlayer from being a complete energy hog, they would not be in this situation with Apple. But arrogantly, they thought that they were to big to fail.

Flash isn’t bad, it’s just been over used, misused, and arrogantly distributed by Adobe

Joe
Jul 2, 2010 at 4:57 pm

While it may be much more effective to create user interaction using javascript and HTML5, Flash isn’t going away. Flash is a powerful platform that will see its use move into applications rather than web sites. Flash can make a lot of SaaS or ecomm sites work really well but it certainly shouldn’t be used on your regular websites or for ads.

ianuj
Jul 2, 2010 at 5:17 pm

Hi Flash, Hey HTML5 .. :)

Miles
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:05 pm

I don’t think flash will go away completely. I do think that HTML5 + JavaScript will become more popular, but it currently lacks some functionality to completely destroy the need for flash. HTML5 and JavaScript are open standards, where flash is proprietary. Most will probably find it more cost effective to use HTML5 and JavaScript than to pay to use Flash. Also, with HTML5, JavaScript, and CSS3 being the BuzzWords of the day, I don’t see there being a demand for flash.

In terms of web applications, flash is probably going to die out. The exception is probably things media related like web cam stuff (like TokBox or facebook’s record video).

For animations (like comics, small simple interactive flash videos, games), I don’t see flash going away. It will take a hit, but you usually don’t try to fix something that works (although some will “move to something better”).

Zak El Fassi
Jul 2, 2010 at 7:15 pm

The future of the web is HTML5 ‘AND’ Flash.
Just, imagine a web without flash … (Google Analytics without charts -or weak ones- Gif banners -remember the netscape era ?- ogg-only videos … and worse, no perfect RIA/RDA.
HTML5/JS , sure. But Flash is way better and simpler.
Flash will keep it’s market share certainly because of Flex.

Van
Jul 2, 2010 at 8:06 pm

Flash should be rapidly developed to meet Apple’s standards. I think most of the people on the web grew with Flash as their means of providing rich interactive experience, and not only that, Flash has opened the web as another medium of entertainment. We owe a lot from Flash and it would be unfair to just abandon the application. I reckon that both Adobe and Apple should work hand on hand to come up with a solution that will benefit all users, they should both make it easier for the developers to let creative people express their art.

Arlen
Jul 2, 2010 at 8:36 pm

Sorry, but Flash is going the way of the dinosaur. It’s clunky, a memory hog, and crashes. It has become a monster of a programme that should have been left clean and much easier to use than it is. Adobe still hasn’t left it’s mark on the programme yet (that I can tell), and the scripting language keeps getting more and more complex. Sorry, but it either needs to be fixed or let go. Personally, HTML5, CSS3, & JQuery are the solutions that best Flash at this moment. Although I do work in Flash, I firmly believe that it’s on its way out.

AltArroba
Jul 2, 2010 at 9:33 pm

I call myself a graphic coder, so i really love html5 Css and visual scripting, but i really appreciate flash, but not in the 2000-2008 rush of making Flash-alone sites it is if you do a whole site as an image flash must be an element of design an improvement on the final look of a site in a Pc but taking care of cellphones and nonflash devices as you may use the advances in CSS as textshadow or rounded border it may be an enacement of the main design not the design itself

Permana Jayanta
Jul 2, 2010 at 9:51 pm

Flash is not always suck. There are many Flash-based game on the web and people love playing flash-based game. Flash will not go away completely. Maybe flash more widely used as a game in future

MotorolaVE440
Jul 3, 2010 at 1:29 am

Really the flash designed is very innovative. Would like to know how did you do that? I would really love to learn this.
Motorola VE440

Robert Hoppe
Jul 3, 2010 at 3:46 am

HTML5 >>>>>>>>>> FLASH!

fracasso27
Jul 3, 2010 at 5:03 am

Good products.. But HTML5 is the future..

Khawar Pervez Butt
Jul 3, 2010 at 5:55 am

Few months ago there was a saying that, “Microsoft Silver Light Kill Flash” but now it was just a concept… Similarly HTML 5 has some good features but not enough to kill flash. HTML turn to HTML5 and flash is also going to transform into THE NEXT BIG THING..

HTML5 follows Flash…. and Flash is pushing the limits..

Ahmed Saber
Jul 3, 2010 at 5:58 am

flash have many advantages put the best of them is browser compatibility not like HTML 5, put i think HTML 5 will rule in modern browsers

dania anwar
Jul 3, 2010 at 6:02 am

i was searching for web development blogs and i came by your page. i am surprised to see such good content. but don’t you think that the outlook of you blog page is distracting the readers from the content to the layout more? i know this company that has helped me bring in more traffic and has made my site decent and attractive. i m sure they will be happy to help you as well.

Lois Reed
Jul 3, 2010 at 6:45 am

I was never a big flash fan, but do use it for my galleries. Thanks to Apple – I now will have to charge all of my clients for this change if they wish to have the flash portfolios of their work viewed on the iPad.
Bottom line is, who give Apple the right to take away my choice.
BTW – I am a long time Mac user who is pissed at Steve!

Allan
Jul 3, 2010 at 6:12 pm

I don’t think flash sucks. It’s just another medium to communicate. Like any medium it can be abused or used in an aesthetic way.

Alirat
Jul 3, 2010 at 6:25 pm

I use Flash on my websites and also jquery banners. It depends on my clients potential audience. If they are likely to have a high volume of visitors with iphones or iPads then I go the jquery route.

Steve
Jul 3, 2010 at 7:50 pm

I at the moment dispise flash like a lot will say it’s slow and buggy, I agree totally. As for a usage point of view I think a large chunk can be replicated in javascript and web designers/developers should use javascript where it can replicate flash functionality. As well as CSS3 can do what I see a lot of flash done in which is navigation that should be totally avoided as for accessibility reasons. If flash wasn’t slow and buggy and inaccessible for the most part then it would still have a place in my eyes.

Nick
Jul 3, 2010 at 9:19 pm

Flash rules and every technology has its place. Haters usually don’t know how to use flash…

Joshua Rapp
Jul 4, 2010 at 12:30 am

Flash isn’t going anywhere soon. And I don’t care if I’m seen as a Flash Evangelist. It still has its own place and impact in the world of development. I mean look how adobe release Flash Catalyst and Builder as companion softwares to Flash.

I do a lot of design work on the web, and I have a good amount of WordPress clients, but I have just as many flash clients. Thing is, don’t fear what you don’t understand.

Heam
Jul 4, 2010 at 2:56 am

flash totally is useless

katie
Jul 4, 2010 at 4:24 am

I like flash; it’s a good application. I just think a lot of people have absolutely no idea how to effectively use it, so it gets wasted on flashy banner ads capable of inducing epileptic fits. I certainly prefer it to Quicktime. I revile all designers who subject me to Quicktime “movies” when they could have just used flash – in fact, I so hate Quicktime that I refuse to view their content. I haven’t tried Silverlight, but I find it irksome I’m sometimes forced to choose to either skip the material or download Silverlight in order to view it. So far, I’ve just skipped the material. It’s too easy these days to burn disk space on apps & programs I rarely use. If you’re running a tiny little 80 gig laptop, the last thing you need is clutter, so all these programs which do basically the same damn thing annoy me.

pixelwolf
Jul 4, 2010 at 5:56 am

I love flash but yes it suffers when badly used and can be an excuse for big ego boosting bandwidth hogging designer show off pieces.I honestly cant see HTML5 giving anywhere near the same kind of interactive experience (and lets be honest support will be ragged there are still people on ie6!! ) and form what i hear h264 (video codex) aint quite cutting the cutting the mustard either..
I am both a macophile and a flash supporter but i’m deeply disappointed I cant make apps for my own iphone-we all had hopes which were dashed on the rocks by apples actions. Though i am very much support open source formats and understand some of apples arguments. i still feel let down and am advising people to get a htc or android phone..

The whole dam mess just seems like a huge corporate war over the next generation of digital toys.. (some off us remember the last browser wars).

I can only hope that my chosen os/platform/hardware (mac) and my favorite software (adobe) for creating interactive content will one day be reunited and i can get on and make interesting work with whatever tool i choose to make it with..surely i should have some say in that?

aditia
Jul 4, 2010 at 7:44 am

i think flash is bad for banner ad, but for video streaming, games, etc its quite cool

Alexander Coco
Jul 4, 2010 at 10:38 am

Flash is nice but shouldn’t be used for useless things (ie ads, headers) because it’s sometimes quite heavy to run.

Katie Steed
Jul 4, 2010 at 11:48 am

Flash is a great tool, but it’s used in places that it shouldn’t be. Keep flash for games, interactive applications and even banner ads if you must, but keep it away from navigation!

Peter
Jul 4, 2010 at 12:22 pm

Unfortunately, Flash had many obstacles… from its exclusion on most popular phone devices to challenges with search engine visibility to name a few. After years of using Flash and with new framework arises such as jQuery, I made a transition to offer a more effective and compatible website products. Still, in my opinion *Flash gives creative artist the means to express their thoughts with no boundaries.*

mauro
Jul 4, 2010 at 12:48 pm

flash is really usefull, but only for games, and maybe a comicstrip like this,

but i hate people using it instead of javascript, like in banners… it slows down my computer :(

Serge V. Richard
Jul 4, 2010 at 1:40 pm

What do I think about Flash ? …and What do I think about Flash vs Html5 now? Personally speaking I think both has merits and will continue to be used for many years to come.
However I do think Html5 is gaining lots more ground then anticipated. Already major News websites are adjusting to work just as good for the iPad and iPhones for example and want it or not lots are fallowing closely

…more and more Web Designers and programers are learning about Html5’s examples and what it will mean for their client web sites down the road. On that note; Many ‘clients’ are asking to see fit their websites works one all platforms, as much according to the current trend(s) as it needs to work on all DEVICES.

So in that regards I doubt Flash will go out any sooner BUT similar to Windows Explorer vs FireFox … what is fresh, new and appears more stable… many will flock to it / many will embrace the new and leaving the old one behind.

My two cents. :]

Serge V. Richard
Jul 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm

One last side note; I do think Apple will be smart and drastically improve their small iWeb web design software to Html5 and or come up with a Professional version. This would be and give them lots of leverage for their own devises to see content efficiently and multiply their effort to push Html5 benefits forward etc.

True enough iWeb is not so much a web design software contender at the moment but if Apple props it up to something like Pages style, template and various formating font options… who knows? …But then that’s just me musing again. :]

Shane M
Jul 4, 2010 at 4:14 pm

I think Flash is in need of reform in order to stay competitive. It uses far too much bandwidth to accomplish tasks for the mobile web. This is the fastest growing segment of the web development industry. Many people worldwide still pay by the megabyte of bandwidth used. A designer using a technology like Flash to develop content for the mobile web, as opposed to HTML5, CSS3, and a little Javascript, would be costing these customers a substantial amount of money. This would hurt the amount of return visitors, hurting the client. While you can still do great things with Flash, it is inefficient as a whole. Having said that, I also think HTML5 & CSS3 have no current way to accomplish what flash currently can. I have yet to see great character animation using these specifications. It currently doesn’t seem plausible for quite some time, as I haven’t seen enough browser support for anything that would make this application possible. Flash is capable. Its existence is justified. Its use everywhere isn’t. Currently.

Jesus Cantu
Jul 4, 2010 at 5:12 pm

Flash will prevail for a long time, maybe not in the form of full websites but in RIA’s, Games, 3D Render, Augmented Reality, Online Apps (think of pixlr.com) and more because it’s very powerful now and it’s getting stronger.

Kev Adamson
Jul 4, 2010 at 5:20 pm

A very current topic of debate indeed. I wrote this back in April about where we are at with Flash and web based animation in general: kevadamson.com/talking-of-design/article/a-flash-from-the-past

Akram
Jul 4, 2010 at 7:02 pm

I agree with some of the other comments. Flash will prevail but not as a web developing software. Flash would does a poor job for the web, and CSS3 and HTML5 will take it’s place. However, Flash can be best utilized as an animation software and even for developing games, that’s what Adobe needs to focus on.

Rick Sloboda
Jul 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm

Interesting discussion! Here’s a heated Flash debate that took place on Ubuntu Forums:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=417312&highlight=webcopyplus

Jerome
Jul 4, 2010 at 8:31 pm

I have a feeling that the evolution of net browsing habits (ie. more and more nomade internet, and code supposed to be nicely displayed on many different devices) will slowly – but surely – kill Flash.
Just wait until Apple (or even Adobe themselves) release a frontend like Flash, but for html5/css3/js, then the designers (who made Flash popular) will just start to make it trendy…

Waiting for the HTML5 Joshua Davis / Yugo Nakamura :)

Saskatoon Web Design - Jared
Jul 4, 2010 at 8:50 pm

Its just another tool for a job. It won’t go away as fast as Apple would like it to, and nor should it, not technology is perfect. If it eventually fades out entirely it will be because HTML 5, or some other tech rightfully replaced it.

Nate
Jul 4, 2010 at 9:12 pm

I am torn, I am an Apple guy but love Flash. I think Adobe & Apple need to work things out for the good of the online community. Since Flash is a vital element for pushing the web to the next level.

Cesar Paternina
Jul 4, 2010 at 9:54 pm

Well, It’s just another eternal discussion. I think Adobe guys are not idiots. They will find a way to sell the flash plataform and to make a good one. Flash is just a tool, nothing more but a very good one. Everything that help you to make a proyect cheaper and quickly it will win.

catge
Jul 5, 2010 at 1:11 am

Flash gonna be all right. Hate flash banner? Not the technology but the design.

Andris
Jul 5, 2010 at 3:40 am

I think Flash has got its eligibility. I really don’t care if I see some flashbanners on a website. I just don’t think it’s okay to write a whole website in Flash. If wisely used Flash can be a great enhancement of a website. Mostly it’s overused. And that’s the problem.

Chad Schofield
Jul 5, 2010 at 5:23 am

HTML 5 wants to have no 3rd party plugins (to it’s own demise probably as video codecs for one are constantly being upgraded). For years people have been saying “that’s the end of Flash”, but video certainly saved it. JQuery allows developers to incorporate those nice touches while Adobe strived to cover all bases with Flash. ActionScript3 made it less accessible (in my opinion) to those less tech minded while, informing the world they can design Flash applications in InDesign, edit video in PhotoShop and use a hammer to bludgeon your monitor because you now have a cow that can lay eggs and a fish that could herd sheep if only it had legs.

Without the slightly odd farm references you find bloated Flash applications all over the place – and then people are surprised when it crashes and people criticize it. Fundamentally, Adobe have changed Flash – for the better in many ways, but from my experience, the promised “indestructible objects” which transgress between each and every program in whichever suite you opted for works only in a very sterile environment. Anything that deviates from their example used to demonstrate their wondrous trick, leads to problems.

For example 3/4 years ago I went to an Adobe demonstration where they “dazzled” us with the new H.264 codec… great except the demonstrator couldn’t tell us the bandwidth used.

I don’t want to berate Adobe too much, but for years I stuck up for Flash, and now it feels like a friend who’s drifted out of my life.

Emyr Tabrizi
Jul 5, 2010 at 8:46 am

Flash had its day. If you want moving image, use video. If you want information use HTML.

Sean J
Jul 5, 2010 at 9:48 am

Flash deserves much more respect… where would the internet be without all these years of amazing animations and flash rich media!!?? just now have we started to really question it because Apple won’t put it on its iPhones and iPads… if Apple and Adobe were smart they would work together to work out the minor issues that they have… then no one would even be talking about Flash in this way.

Lily
Jul 5, 2010 at 10:38 am

Admire the discussion – Lots of debate over this naturally. :)

Tech is constantly growing, whether it be flash or basic HTML. Personally I don’t hate flash entirely. How one uses this tool is a different story. Some people use flash effectively, others not so much.

It all depends on how you look at things and how results are utilized for next upgrade or new tool down the road.

Aaron Blakeley
Jul 5, 2010 at 12:39 pm

Like every tool Flash has it uses. Would you use a hammer to check the temperature of your Thanks giving turkey. As far as flash banners go they do not bother me, even flash video is good. Some web experiences would not be possible with out flash. However a whole website done in flash when it could have been executed in html5 and css3 is severely short sited on the designer and developer’s part. Any web technology is not inherently evil its the misuse of such technology that ruin a good tool.

Coshbuc
Jul 5, 2010 at 1:41 pm

flash is becoming irrelevant in the context of html5 and css3.

Tedel
Jul 5, 2010 at 6:31 pm

I agree that Flash should die and that HTML5 is its executioner. Flash is a pain in the —well, you know it— if you with to market a site with it. It might be nice but too time-taking for my taste.

Ceane
Jul 5, 2010 at 7:54 pm

I think we’ll find other places for advertisements and that the traditional banners will become irrelevant. I don’t care for an old technology like flash, I care about what is going to be come viable and strong like HTML5 and CSS3. It doesn’t matter that the spec isn’t finalized, it’s really the early effort of introduction by Apple, Mozilla, and Google who have implemented it in their browsers, putting a huge push for the technologies. It also goes along with my opinion that I want things to be compatible and easy to implement. I don’t want to run to Adobe every time I need an animation, video, or interactive element. Flash is the dying grandfather, HTML5 and CSS3 are the rapidly growing children. That’s my two cents.

Jolin
Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 pm

You just need to use it when reliable. I love flash when I’m not able to know that it’s actually flash!

Emil
Jul 5, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Flash is good for certain interactive tasks. It is like the table html element. For years developers used it in the wrong place. Then there was time when confused designers decided that table is evil, and should not be used even for data grids. Flash has a similar faith.

Daniel
Jul 6, 2010 at 1:25 am

It’s all about universal access, universal design etc etc…

Web technologies are heading towards a more accessible and Universal way of doing things… That’s it’s CSS3 and HTML 5. Even-though I respect and enjoyed developing with Flash I am sure that HTML 5 and CSS3 will soon cough up with 3rd party software features!

Keep up and survive!!!!

Gabriele
Jul 6, 2010 at 2:45 am

I think that Flash is one of the reason of the slowness of most webpages.
There are some solutions:
1. no more flash
2. a very very fast version of flash, more light than now
3. a new standard for this thing.

Yes, i’m one of flash haters.
Sorry ;-)

Rory
Jul 6, 2010 at 3:47 am

I’m with you Sean, this issue has only blown up because of Apple (and I love Apple by the way, iMac, iPad and Fruit ) why can’t they just resolve their issues. I’ll keep using flash, however the right kind of flash with pre-loaders and small file sizes. Although I dig Jquery

Jigar
Jul 6, 2010 at 4:43 am

I don’t want to hate flash but i have to do.

because now the technology going on the HTML 5 and CSS 3. so, it needs to build a light weight flash version to load fast.

supermattzor
Jul 6, 2010 at 6:12 am

I still get the occasional flash banner/video that crashes my OSX Firefox, so, yeah, I hate it. I’m tired of its use for unnecessary animation and full sites alike. It’s a pain to update and, most of the time, they’re a pain to use (especially when compared to well-designed sites that take advantage of modern web standards). Anyway, I just think it’s out-dated and will be phased out as soon as clients stop wanting things to “pop” and designers stop taking the easier way out that ends up being more work for me and my browser than them and their creative processes.

johnboy
Jul 6, 2010 at 6:39 am

Flash will be around for a good while yet for one main reason… Internet Explorer!

As long as the average website visitor is and IE user and has little or no support for HTML5/CSS/Anything fun Flash will be needed for its ability to give a cross-browser – cross OS experience that is just not possible with HTML, Javascript (until IE gets its act together or loses its market share)

jake
Jul 6, 2010 at 9:05 am

I agree that Flash is an excellent program, my only gripe is that it’s overused, and needlessly used, a lot of the time.

Douglas Bonneville
Jul 6, 2010 at 10:03 am

As a former Flash developer, my guess is that in the next few years, we’ll see the major JS libraries like jQuery start replacing a lot of what Flash can do. Soon, we’l have JS core libraries that enhance HTML5 video playback that will eliminate the need for Flash at all. Flash is primarily used on the web for ads. It’s secondary and highly suspect use is as a cross platform application development environment. Really, has anyone spent a lot of time in Air apps? They stink, especially on Mac.

If Adobe was smart, they’d get the Flash IDEs to spit out JS based on popular libraries.

utari
Jul 6, 2010 at 10:14 am

flash is one of good applications, with flash i can make an attractive presentation so every people that join in my presentation will not bored. I love flash so much!!

Connor
Jul 6, 2010 at 12:12 pm

Flash is a hog. For a while it was a good technology. Nothing else could create something as interactive and pretty as flash for the same cost and amount of time. The reasons that the iphone doesn’t support flash works all the way around. Its big, bulky, slow, memory consuming, battery killing chaos. With the introduction of html 5 in combination with js libs such as prototype and jQuery, I believe that flash will slowly disappear.

SpinaEstudio
Jul 6, 2010 at 3:14 pm

I think flash is a great application, but it should be used only on very specific cases such as games or other applications, maybe not as commonly used as it is now…

13ers
Jul 6, 2010 at 3:36 pm

After researching HTML5 and CSS3, I believe Flash will, unfortunately be around for some time. I really don’t like it, for reasons already mentioned.

I don’t think the new technology will be able to replace it completely.

If I go to a site that is flash based, I leave pretty quickly. Too impatient to wait for the page to load…

Genevieve
Jul 6, 2010 at 3:40 pm

Wondering what would be your point of view about Flash and eLearning formation? Still up-to-date or there is other options? Considering the fact that IE doesn’t support HTML 5?

David
Jul 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm

Try building something like iPloz (wireframing tool) in plain olde HTML(4 or 5) probably can be done but tricky. Flash has got so much depth to it, and not many really get to master it. Having said that, there’s lots of flash out there that could of been done with jQuery and the like. Just a case of picking the right tool for the right job.

Tim
Jul 6, 2010 at 8:13 pm

If used properly, Flash can be useful. Unfortunately, I’ve seen way too many sites that have a landing page built in Flash just to be “hip”, or too many sites use Flash just for the navigation menu. Really? A fool and their money are soon parted, I guess.

ndrew
Jul 6, 2010 at 9:39 pm

such a funny comic..
LOL

ae
Jul 6, 2010 at 10:29 pm

For those of you talking about the demise of Flash I think you aren’t considering a few things.
First, Actionscript is a truly OOP based language–Javascript is not. Javascript is prototyped. This means that Javascript will always be more difficult to develop in for large applications and that it will lag in performance on those same applications. For simple things, Javascript vs. Flash will make no difference, but the complexity curve on Web development is ramping up and not down.
Second, HTML5 & Javascript do not take advantage of native hardware acceleration, something which is going to be increasingly important for cross device applications.
Third, the standards committees charged with overseeing the changes to HTML5 & Javascript move way too slowly. They haven’t even been able to decide on a common video codec despite that being one of the major issues driving HTML5’s rise to fame.
Finally, the future of the browser itself is at stake and in question (check out the latest issue of the Atlantic Monthly to see a mainstream discussion of this topic for nondevelopers). What we are seeing is a Web moving toward the App model (whether it is the Apple store, Android, Google TV or whatever else). Browsers, as we know them now, may not be what carries the Web into the future. We are in the beginning of the Rich Internet Application era, a time first envisioned by Macromedia years ago in relation to the Flash platform. The future belongs to platforms like Flash, Silverlight, and whatever else Apple or others might come up with.

Radim
Jul 7, 2010 at 2:25 am

Flash in 2D is fine, but its attempts work in 3D are absolutely wrong – slow and ugly.

tigrad taylor
Jul 7, 2010 at 2:34 am

It’ll continue. Many industry professionals know it, many devices and technologies use it. It may be minimalized or changed, but it will still be there.

Apple is only one piece of the puzzle, still less than 1% of all devices on the internet are mobile Apple products, aka don’t use/can never use Flash.

Given enough time there may even be a backlash/loss of support for killing flash, especially if google starts listing flash support as an added bonus to Android products.

osmosiz
Jul 7, 2010 at 2:38 am

i think flash is ok,depending on what website it tagged..lets say for school website,i think its not necessary to use some flash on it…and for game website,its need to use some flash…imho

yohan
Jul 7, 2010 at 2:45 am

i think flash is useful :)

elmalak
Jul 7, 2010 at 3:49 am

Although I am a designer and I know flash, but I prefer using new techniques to create my slideshows and animations and I keep flash as my last resort.
Especially as I use WordPress for most of my work and I find flash hard to integrate so I prefer the plugins that create slideshows easily.
And from my observation I see that flash is not getting any more popular nowadays.

Fabrizio Lapiello
Jul 7, 2010 at 4:24 am

Now, I Think that flash has become an obsolete technology!
HTML5 will replace the use of this technology…

Nicole Bauer
Jul 7, 2010 at 4:38 am

Haha, I really had to laugh when the programmer said “you just hate flash because you’re a designer”, cause that’s kinda true. I do hate flash and one reason for that is that it’s just so damn complicated with all that Action Script and stuff. But another reason is that it’s just distracting and I find websites that are completely created with flash horrible to use. At least most of them.

Things like that comic strip are cool and I believe for some things you just need flash, but it shouldn’t overpower the content of the site.

Guillermo Bas
Jul 7, 2010 at 6:23 am

I prefer Silverlight.
LoL

Nuno Silva
Jul 7, 2010 at 7:07 am

I think that flash will not disapear as people are saying, maybe for web deveploment yes, but for animations it have a great potential and it have a lots to improve…

Bryan Stinehour
Jul 7, 2010 at 7:22 am

Flash can be good in some uses but it gets rather frustrating when you try to use your phone an a website is reliant upon it. In small doses like ad banners and such I’m fine with it.

Sam
Jul 7, 2010 at 7:40 am

Flash is good but, when you are short in connection speed it really sucks ,
I like more html and script to replace it and for sure flash in websites will be replaced by more rapid,compatible, useful and none-graphic designer-oriented technologies.

kumar
Jul 7, 2010 at 8:38 am

the truth is- designers who can not write code in ActionScript- hate Flash. It is an excuse for these designers to move out of Flash and try other things because they don’t know it. On the other hand, designers who learnt ActionScript and using it – they are still loving it, they do explore other mediums but they are not dejecting Flash yet.

Anna
Jul 7, 2010 at 8:42 am

Realistically Apple might be a small piece of the global puzzle at 1%, but I think that like 90% of my clients use an iPhone or iPod and expect their site to work on it whether their target audience uses one or not. I’ve gotten used to talking them into letting me use a javascript alternative and ditching the Flash altogether. It’s cheaper for me and for the client.

Higher budgets can afford both options, but it’s been a very long time since I’ve run into a situation that absolutely requires Flash.

Jon
Jul 7, 2010 at 10:17 am

Flash is way past its prime. Its useful for making online games my kid plays but thats about it. Everything flash is needed for on a web page can be done with other tools now that are faster and easier to use and don’t require buying a program. Bye bye flash it was fun.

Daniel
Jul 7, 2010 at 10:28 am

I don’t like flashy ads. What I do like is full screen photo galleries made in flash.

Kaeptn
Jul 7, 2010 at 10:59 am

I think it will be more complicated to sell flash sites. At least all clients with an iphone won´t accept it. From a technical point of view I love Actionscript, it is easy to develop and you can do very cool stuff in a short time. In my oppinion animations in Actionscript / Flash are often smoother and more accurate (in timing issues) than animations done in javascript. As a designer I wouldn´t care if the programmer does my animtions and designs in javascript or actionscript. As an actionscript developer I feel a little bit sad because I don´t know where the train goes.

Rob
Jul 7, 2010 at 12:05 pm

It’s all about delivering content to the user, the user shouldn’t see a blue box, but we should always have a backup plan for users with mobile devices.

Flash is a tool, just like HTML5 and CSS3. It’s all about the context it which the tool is being used.

Martin Holm
Jul 7, 2010 at 1:20 pm

I think there will still be room for flash for at least 5 more years, but we will be changing when and where to use it. For some of the more complex web / campaign sites, flash will still be used. But on most sites flash will be used less and less, and sooner or later disapear unless it finds a niche where it is still superior to HTML5 and javascript.

Not only Apple’s choice to not support flash, but also the fact that the majority of users who still cling to Internet Explorer will soon be upgrading to IE 9, will soon make HTML5 and javascript the most used solution when we create new websites.

Speaking for myself as a web designer, I don’t dislike flash because it is difficult to learn actionscript 3, but because of accessibility and because it is less SEO-friendly. Why should users have to install the flash plug-in to view a site when we can create a faster site with the same features using HTML5 and javascript?

Renner Gutierre
Jul 7, 2010 at 1:22 pm

I think there´s no “the best technology”. There´s the right technology for what you´re doing. Simple as that!

hibbo
Jul 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm

I have programmed flash in the past along with Javascript. Now that HTML5 is coming and Jquery has many useful plugins I am dropping the use of Flash as much as possible. As these technologies have increased in features I wan’t to make sure I am on top of them and cannot also invest the time to keep up with flash considering how much it is really justified in using, I don’t want to spread my expertise too thinly.

Also as mentioned before, many of my clients do use iphones and now ipads, and they will not accept not being able to view their nice shiny new site on either device.

matt
Jul 7, 2010 at 2:14 pm

i’m on the fence when it comes to flash. i think it has it’s place. while i’m not a fan of full flash sites (not in the least) i do think animated banners, for example, can be quite effective.

hope to check out more on bannersnack. good luck to me!

Jim
Jul 7, 2010 at 2:34 pm

Looking forward to seeing how this flash/apple war plays out!

Matt
Jul 7, 2010 at 5:20 pm

Flash needs to step up its game.

uw
Jul 7, 2010 at 6:25 pm

Let me start this by saying that I am NOT a Flash fan boy, but I am a web developer who understands economics, work flows, and what it takes to get a job done.
For those of you complaining about Flash’s CPU usage, you obviously haven’t been paying attention to the Flash 10.1 player which was just released a month ago. I’ve had a chance to see this working on a Nexus One and it puts the iPhone’s performance to shame (and I use to be an Apple fan too). Plus, Flash is going to be on everything mobile except Apple very soon. Google is supporting it by bundling it in Chrome & Android. YouTube and Hulu have both come out endorsing it by saying they can’t do business without it. NVIDIA and Intell are developing hardware for it. Dell, RIM, & HTC are all endorsing it for their mobile devices. Sony, NBC, PBS, and the Associated Press all are waiting for it to become the platform of choice for what will be Google TV. . .and the list goes on. So anyone saying that HTML5 is about to kill Flash–or that Flash is going to disappear in the next 5 years better take a break from whatever you are smoking. Or maybe you should admit that you really aren’t part of this industry if you talk such nonsense.
As I said, I’m not a Flash fan boy, but I am a web developer with a some design skills thrown into the mix and I understand the value of work flows. I lived through the browser wars of 10 years ago, and after that crappy experience working with tools like Flash was a godsend. Not because Flash is some “perfect tool”, but at least with it Adobe has a work flow that makes some sense. I can work with my designers, import their assets cleanly, add code using Flex, and then port my application out to the Web, a desktop, and now a mobile device without having to reinvent the wheel for each situation. That saves time, and time is money. I don’t see anything similar coming out of the open source community with HTML5. Personally, if someone comes out with a better product than Flash I’ll happily switch (and I still do HTML/Javascript development too), but that tool isn’t here and isn’t on the horizon, and so I stick with what works.

bizlegal
Jul 7, 2010 at 9:16 pm

A Web presence is necessary in today’s marketplace. Like any worthwhile project, an investment of time and energy are required. The returns for a properly designed and marketed Web site are substantial and proven.

Paul
Jul 7, 2010 at 9:43 pm

Shortly I think that Apple made a mistake with not unabling flash on iPhone. It is the best mulitimedia web platform.

fajar
Jul 7, 2010 at 11:06 pm

thaks for the posting

VMware Hosting
Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 am

There are better effects now than before.

Matt Smart
Jul 8, 2010 at 1:00 am

this will help develop simple animated banners – great for prototypes or even the final output!

Dennis P
Jul 8, 2010 at 1:49 am

I think the whole Flash/HTML5 discussion is about playing video’s. IF there would be 1 video codec flash will be banned as videoplayer, but never as a animating tool. You can make advanced banners with AS in a way jQuery can’t. Also i don’t see it happening that when you make a banner you are able to use jquery or html5 on sites that aren’t yours.

And sure, full-flash sites can be annoying, but so can jquery animations. Technique doesn’t annoy People, over the top animators do…

indyastari
Jul 8, 2010 at 2:27 am

i think flash is still usefull n attractive

code pixelz media
Jul 8, 2010 at 4:59 am

very good. I like the way you present your content.

mrvé
Jul 8, 2010 at 7:30 am

I am working as a flash animator so I spend my min.8hours with flash every single day.
I love it. and ı know it loves me too.. ;)

ridwan
Jul 8, 2010 at 8:58 am

flash quite easy to use and powerfull

yulianti
Jul 8, 2010 at 9:32 am

flash is easy to learn..

Steve
Jul 8, 2010 at 11:35 am

i’m a 3D animator and i’m about to learn how to animate in flash!

remz.design
Jul 8, 2010 at 12:08 pm

I use flash all the time either for illustration, animation or design in general, Why? Because it’s really easy to use and flexible enough. Flash is also great for prototyping video games and works great for animatics. In the end I think is just part of Apple’s plan for global domination, and just because Apple refuses to use it, it doesn’t mean ‘We’ (designers, developers…) should follow their lead. Variety is the spice of life the decision is ours to make.

Kevin Ansfield
Jul 8, 2010 at 2:02 pm

Ughh. I’ve never particularly liked flash and recently I’ve begun to utterly despise it to the point where I have it blocked on all browsers across all my machines.

It’s performance seems to get worse with every new release (especially on the mac platform where’s it’s performance is awful to start with) and the only thing I seem to hear about it other than the Apple/Adobe rants is to do with another security issue.

It does have it’s limited uses right now – the occasional game and allowing multiple file uploads whilst browser vendors implement the equivalent part of the HTML5 spec. Outside of that it’s use is nothing more than an irritant – I’ve certainly never missed it once in the 2.5 years of browsing on an iPhone and only use it for file uploads and very occasional video (when it’s not already available in either html5 or another format) whilst on a desktop machine.

The sooner Flash fades into obscurity the better in my opinion.

eariyorum
Jul 8, 2010 at 2:14 pm

I love it.because it very good.Perfect program

Sara Suter
Jul 8, 2010 at 3:15 pm

My feeling is, there is a time and place for Flash.

I think Flash is great for sites that have a rich user experience, but I do not always want it when I am looking for specific information or looking to read something online.

A lot of times I find myself info-hunting on my mobile device – which I would prefer not to be in Flash (although my Android 2.2 does support Flash now!). I would rather have a simple html site, that is scalable and easy to get through on my phone.

But on the contrary, I still love deeply engaging sites – full of motion, effects and all types of crazy Flash things. I can spend a lot of time on sites like these. It really depends on the site: what is it function? If it is primarily a site that is supposed to be an experience in itself… Flash away my friends! If its more of an informative thing, cut & dry, not too highly conceptual – I’d prefer it just be a simple HTML site.

A good compromise is an HTML site with Flash containers – best of both worlds.

David Platt
Jul 8, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Why should it disappear? Because Apple doesn’t like it? Not a good reason. It has it’s place as stated above. Use it when you deem it appropriate and use it with discretion.

Moon
Jul 8, 2010 at 4:42 pm

The thing is that each technology has its own use. A company should not control what we can use and cannot use. The number of people using desktop is much higher than those using phones to online. If you want to view it on an iphone, just make a separate HTML version for the phone- easy. Website to be viewed on a small screen like iphone and on a 19″ screen don’t have to be the same at all.

Laura Moser
Jul 8, 2010 at 9:44 pm

I think flash is okay, I don’t think it’ll go away nor should it. However I think many businesses use it inappropriately. I’ve had clients say they want flash, and I would try to explain to them they don’t need flash. Businesses try to use flash when there target audience probably won’t even be all that impressed by it. Also I think if a website were to offer flash, they should offer a HTML site as well for those users that can’t handle flash.

Flash however if used correctly can be a very amazing tool. I like sites that incorporate small bits of flash into there design.

Mansur
Jul 9, 2010 at 7:47 am

Flash is nice for Flash specialist, but neva mind… not everyone to be flash specialist… got some alternative way we can use other than.. Flash.. yeah that’s JQuery..

JQuery give some fun with animation with simple coding.. non need hardworking for the optimum and required output…

Simplest is the best………..

Go JQuery..

voyance en direct
Jul 9, 2010 at 4:00 pm

I’m a webmaster and I’m very interesting to learn flash.

wildanr
Jul 9, 2010 at 5:55 pm

Flash will be alive in many area such as barner, coporate profile, corporate demo, presentation or even software installer. But.. i repat, but.. Not in the website The new buzz word so called html5 paired with the strong competitor that just awake from the grave recent year ago named javascript will definitly throw away flash from the beautiful world of website.

what a shame.

BebopDesigner
Jul 10, 2010 at 8:42 am

Flash should be reduced to banners and stay there. (I’m a usability church goer) What I do think is that Flash banners should be brought out from the web and into the offline world. Now that will be eye catching and cool.
So no, Flash shouldn’t disappear… but it’s time to start thinking out of the web box.
What do you reckon?

Wesley Patton
Jul 10, 2010 at 11:40 am

In short every aspect of this industry will someday be replaced by something else and Flashes day has come!

Long live innovation…………!!!

Jacob
Jul 10, 2010 at 12:16 pm

I believe CS5 lets one export to HTML5 format so perhaps Flash should begin to be a coding/design tool for animation/interaction primarily and it should focus on providing exellent support for both formats. Then let the performance, feature and compatibility benefits dictate what people use.

I guess the flash format will die unless Adobe adds more unique features and improves performance…. but without iPhone Safari it might make some sense to add more libraries and Flash like features for HTML5 within the CS tool. If those libraries have excellent support within the authoring program then people are going to stick with Flash CS.

jermbo
Jul 10, 2010 at 1:13 pm

I know the dead line is over, but I am gonna put in my two cents.

Ok, Flash isn’t going anywhere, so deal with it. Flash has gotten a little out of hand, BUT, thats because of douche bags who abuse its power. The people who use it properly, and in moderation, make beautiful pieces of art. Its one of those things, that “with great power comes great responsibility”, when done properly it add a special something to the end user experience. But when done specifically to annoy people, then it works and the user usually leaves never to return.
So I am all for Flash and those beautiful subtle user experiences.

As far as Flash not being on the iPhone and iPad.. so what. Adobe and Apple have their issues to work out. And I agree with both side, to an extent. Apple says, that Flash is a mouse based interactive tool and needs to be manipulated to work on these touch screen devices, there for not good for the iPhone/Pad. I have to agree with that. If Flash wants to thrive on touch screen devices it needs to be rethought a bit. Adobe has made a swf player that works almost everywhere. So why can’t one be made for the iPhone and iPad, oh yeah Jobs. So for all you iPhone junkies read this press release from YouTube and see why Flash isn’t going anywhere, any time soon. http://tinyurl.com/33xyxkh

Jermbo

Shikeb Ali
Jul 10, 2010 at 7:20 pm

Use it only as a flv player thats all !!

eka
Jul 10, 2010 at 10:26 pm

Bye flash it was fun.

Daniel
Jul 11, 2010 at 2:40 am

Flash was created to deal with the shortcomings of hyper-text. In the future it will be redundant and it won’t be missed. Hasten this, boycott flash!

Ayman Aboulnasr
Jul 11, 2010 at 3:10 am

Well, my problem with Flash in recent years is that it moved from being a designers toy into something else. It’s too complicated for designers nowadays and too heavy for developers to create applications with.

IMHO, Flash should have stayed a web/interactive design software (period).

Renaldo Creative
Jul 11, 2010 at 5:02 am

I hate flash and is now learning HTML5. Flash was fun in 2005-2006. But I’m trying stay away from Flash. The best flash program ever is anything by Macromedia.

Matt Fairbrass
Jul 11, 2010 at 9:22 am

For me personally Flash is a sort of love/hate relationship. For websites generally I personally hate it; as it can make information very inaccessible and in some cases make the site unusable from a device point of view. For example, when browsing on a mobile device (with the exception of a few which support it), information becomes very hard or sometimes impossible to access.

In this case, when accessing the web from a mobile device I am only really interested in obtaining information – be it train timetables, checking product prices or whatever. The information is the important part, not how it is dressed up.

Having said that, Flash does still have it’s uses – as can be seen with the many video websites delivering video content through flash-based players. Until the browser vendors can effectively standardise the way in which HTML5 handles video across all browsers, defining which file types are supported, Flash will be the first choice.

But I feel that this is it’s only niche, and as a result is a dying technology. Flash had it’s hay day in 2005/2006, but looking at the direction in which the web is moving, I can’t see Flash being around for much longer than another five years. But having said that I am still shocked at how IE6, a 15 year old browser is managing to cling on when it should of died peacefully long long ago.

DED
Jul 11, 2010 at 4:53 pm

I know this is late, but after reading all the comments about hating Flash I had to reply. For some reason designers think Flash is only about the web, banners, web sites and thus see it as a dying medium. But, Flash has a great position in animation that can be used across mediums ( even on television). And in the realm of the web trying to completely replace Flash with Html5 seems silly to me, there are complex coding examples that JavaScript ( as much as I love it ) just isn’t made to do ( maybe that’s ‘do yet’). For example the basic trigonometry used in digital animation. You can easily accomplish the math in JavaScript, but it’s not straight forward applying it to elements to move them around. There are countless examples where Flash does something great, it’s just not always in the context of the web. And with the 3D capabilities in CS4 and CS5, I hope Flash doesn’t just go away, even if it isn’t used for the web so much.

karl escritt
Jul 11, 2010 at 5:08 pm

I still think Flash very much has its place on the web, although i am a massive fan of what HTML5 and CSS3 is bringing to modern browsers I still think when you are looking to show the user the next generation / level of creativity / interactivity you can do this best in Flash.
Just look at the examples in the FWA gallery, here we have amazing, rich websites that show what it is possible with interactive design on the web.
This said we as designers/developers need to use both flash and HTML5 where it is relevant, of course the days of full flash sites have gone but the web will be a much less creative place without flash and the many great flash developers that push the boundaries.

eshanne
Jul 12, 2010 at 2:28 pm

Well for me, Flash is something neat around 4 years ago, until there is an open source and wide variety from the people surround us, especially the programmers, the dude know what to do with such an open source, then comes the jQuery.. They’ve minimize the solutions of javascript, no more heavy no more waiting even in 0.052 seconds.. So people starting to forget about flash, how they own the internet technologies not long ago.. Then people start judging or predict about the flash banner, header, intro and anything regarding about the flash sections..

Flash is something neat, but we have to think fast.. Even the Flash is more smoother than the jQuery or even Prototype.. Today they choose Prototype + jQUery, because they wont want to wait another loading.. Anymore.. The loads make us waiting, and it aint’ good for website behaviour nowadays.. :D

ranggaw0636
Jul 12, 2010 at 9:19 pm

well. we still need flash in some occasion

doris
Jul 13, 2010 at 5:03 am

Bye flash it was fun.

KPR
Jul 13, 2010 at 12:57 pm

Flash had its place, and still does.. ie – a standalone graphics app for windows / intro that can be saved as an exe..

other than that .. its outdated..

Elizabeth Kaylene
Jul 13, 2010 at 1:31 pm

I know I’m late, but I didn’t want to win anyway.

I think that Flash is still useful, for lots of things. I do hate Flash ads and websites, though. For games, video, and comic strips, it’s awesome!

Ric Faust
Jul 13, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Mixed…

I believe that we should all have the option to download Flash to our respective devices; no company should tell us what we can or cannot put downloads.

On the other hand, Flash is waaaaaay overused and should be limited.

fajar
Jul 13, 2010 at 9:41 pm

nice post..

SabriTech
Jul 14, 2010 at 1:04 am

i think Flash is good but cant do seo if its a full flash website, but without flash a website looks sooo boring, so my vote is with flash.

Mark
Jul 14, 2010 at 6:27 am

I hope I’m wrong but HTML 5 will fail in the real world. Even the simplest of functions have taken over a decade to be implemented by most browsers. And even then the Implementations are often fragmented and not consistent. By the time HTML 5 is consistent in all browsers it will take at least another 5 years. By that time flash will have functions and capabilities that HTML 6 will try to tackle and then 10 years later we’ll have the same discussion again. HTML 5 will have its place for content heavy websites like blogs, news and social sites; however, the development of Highly Interactive Web/Offline applications is a whole other deal. We are all in the same boat here. We should love and not hate what Adobe has done for the Web and will continue to do. We just need to learn to use the tools appropriately for ease case.

Aaron Newton
Jul 14, 2010 at 8:32 am

Pros of HTML 5 + JavaScript dominance:

a) it will reduce the need for Flash/Flash Builder, which are both expensive proprietary tools
b) 90% of the interactive stuff I do these days can be done more easily and efficiently with jQuery anyway
c) better JavaScript support in browsers (including stuff like the Beta release of IE9) means that JavaScript + HTML 5 will probably be more efficient (and hence faster) than Flash, which has to deal with the processing overhead of the Flash plugin and the Flash file/program
d) the whole SEO argument (although interactive content using HTML 5 elements will probably be in AJAX anyway, which has limited search engine potential).
e) it’s going to be much easier to work with HTML 5 out of search engines
f) easier for “whole-page” interactivity, as there is no need to setup external JavaScript communication between the page and ActiveX controller
g) better support for CSS, less drawing interfaces in Flash, and in my opinion this makes it more flexible than a Flash application which has to be redesigned, recompiled and uploaded again
h) predominantly (completely?) open source
i) my strong suspicion is that HTML 5 based interfaces will be much faster to load up – load time seems to be an issue on a lot of Flash sites
f) better for function than form, although can be beautiful when used skillfully
e) easy to debug with a tool like Firebug – Flash is painful to debug unless you happen to have the source files
f) plugin free – I have reinstalled the Flash plugin 5 times this month

Pros of Flash:

a) very bandwidth friendly for vector based animation
b) easier to make more complicated, nested animations
c) encapsulates a set of tools which are useful for animating and drawing
d) can automatically compress your artwork etc.
e) better for form than function, although there are some niches where Flash can be very functional (e.g. interactive Flash charts)

In summary, I believe that Flash will continue to exists, but as an animation tool rather than a RIA tool.

Joe D
Jul 14, 2010 at 9:05 am

Flash will always have a place on the web due to the speed that it can be updated and made available to a broad range of users. Not to mention it has an IDE for creating timeline based animations/compositions which (as of yet) doesn’t exist for the HTML5 canvas tag.

HTML5 will be great, and will redefine how flash is used, but it wont completely replace it, it simply cant.

One final thing, there needs to be an update to javascript to become a true OOP language. It needs to be faster and easier to debug. AS3 is above and beyond a better language to script in than javascript.

Mark
Jul 14, 2010 at 11:08 am

@Aaron Newton
I agree with you on some points, but most of them are not correct. I want be going into any details but here are the facts. There are some great open source tools to develop for the Flash platform (Flash Develop and Eclipse width Flex SDK being the most used). Yes, most of the interactivity on casual Web sites could be better done with JavaScript, but check out even the simple collapse function on this page (for the comment boxes) perform really bad even on Chrome that has the best/fastest JavaScript engine to date (imagine real word Web sites like the ones on FWA). Real SEO doesn’t really have anything to do with Flash or Ajax. Both can easily be SEO friendly, this only depends on the developer.

Flash content doesn’t load slower in fact they load faster. You can’t compare a Flash Web site with a static website. Try build an exact copy of a Web site like bankrungame.com (or any other one from thefwa.com) and then see how fast it loads and performs (you’ll be surprised how bad JavaScript performs). Debugging JavaScript isn’t at all easy when you are building complicated applications.

You have some valid points and someday HTML X will really be good enough for every project but at the moment we have to check what’s best for each case.

Bob
Jul 14, 2010 at 11:39 am

This Banner is 100% truth. Programmers = Fail!

Ian
Jul 14, 2010 at 2:46 pm

I’m not the biggest fan of flash but it certainly has it’s place. I guess it just gets a bad rap from all those annoying flash banner that blink a hundred different highly contrasting colors and scream out “You’ve Won!!” It is possible to make an eye catching flash banner without giving your viewers a seizure, but it entails much more work to design quality animations than to just throw a bunch of flashing lights at someones face. All in all flash is kind of like owning a car. Use it responsibly and you can really enjoy the experience. Use it like a jerk and you end up smeared across the highway in a hundred different colors. Also flash intros are no fun. Refer to number 7 on this list @ The Oatmeal.

Johnny TwoChaps
Jul 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm

Flash is just like any other tool in a designer’s box (BTW, I’m not sure I agree with the cartoon, I wouldn’t necessarily consider it a developer language anymore than I would PHP. You kind of need to understand both to build effectively in them).

Just like any tool, if used properly and in moderation it’s fine. They say if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. In the case of Flash, that adage couldn’t be any truer.

The problem with flash is people relying on it in circumstances where it’s not the “best” option. If you have a captive audience that doesn’t care about load times, pages bleeding memory or about viewing your site on a mobile device – then it’s fine.

Personally, we don’t run into instances all to often where either of those factors aren’t relevant, but it does happen from time to time.

Jae Xavier
Jul 14, 2010 at 5:24 pm

There needs to be a “duality” in the interactive content technology platform race.

For years, Flash has had no competitors till now. They can charge whatever they want because they have customers by their necks.

HTML5 + CSS3 + Canvas is now a viable competitor.

Roshan
Jul 15, 2010 at 7:28 am

Flash Rules. HTML5 Rules too. In different worlds though.

Jay
Jul 15, 2010 at 10:30 am

I think that the breadth of the Flash debate speaks more to its ubiquitous online presence than anything else. Like it or not, Flash is here and will be for a while.

The thought that people will soon adopt something else in its stead (like Silverlight or HTML5) is a little silly. Most design or development businesses have an infrastructure/process in place to address Flash development and/or implementation. Asking companies to redefine their resources to accommodate a popular online debate is ridiculous.

Kojeje
Jul 16, 2010 at 12:11 am

I think Flash is still good thing :)
Want to master it :)

eka
Jul 16, 2010 at 1:26 pm

Like it or not, Flash is here and will be for a while.

Ricosushi
Jul 16, 2010 at 2:36 pm

Does HTML 5 offers 3D solutions?

I wonder…

MarkAPR
Jul 16, 2010 at 6:27 pm

Flash has it’s place on the web, and used appropriately is a wonderful piece of technology that has enriched the web. Just take a look at theFWA.com for countless examples of how Flash should be used.

The dislike of flash has been created by poor use by the design / development community who have abused it’s abilities, and given all flash content a bad name.

The current stand off that is taking place between Adobe and Apple is perhaps more political, than about flash being the terrible piece of technology that Apple claim. The very same could be said about Quick Time for the web – it’s generally slow to load, freezes the browser and i’ve always thought of it as not the best piece of software for the web. I havent seen Adobe ditch quicktime support from their Creative Suites though, although perhaps they will.

With the right designer / developer using flash, incredibly slick, polished presentation of content can be achieved. I believe that Adobe will contune to develop Flash into an ever improving tool, and that it is here to stay – we could say that jquery, and silverlight would have destroyed Flash – quite simply, they havent, and the same will apply to css3, and html5 in my opinion.

Flash Suck
Jul 16, 2010 at 6:51 pm

Flash sucks

Rob
Jul 17, 2010 at 12:37 am

Personally, I like Flash. It’s not always the right choice for every project, but it has so many possibilities for interface design.

Damiaan
Jul 17, 2010 at 4:43 am

Hello I don’t like Flash at all. I Think people use flash because they don’t know anymore how to realize their difficult ideas for every browser (IE 6 fix here, IE 7 fix there) or they are just too lazy. Now almost everyone has flash installed on his computer (for watching Youtube, Vimeo, …) and it is very easy to make one version of your site using adobe flash without coding to much…

Tom - New Evolution
Jul 18, 2010 at 5:48 pm

As a designer, I love Flash. But with all of the compatibility issues, I’ve been slowly falling out of love over the last few years. =(

Bratu Sebastian
Jul 18, 2010 at 11:08 pm

Actually I believe that Flash has its power. It’s not fair to let flash out now, after you had so many cool experiences with it. I always believed that flash will do what html was never able: To be interactive, to have a soul. even if that means more development time.

And not all people want to work. Some want to interact on the web. The problem with flash is advertising, the thing that turned flash into an enemy for surfers.

oky
Jul 19, 2010 at 12:47 am

hahahah…flash sucks

wij
Jul 19, 2010 at 12:52 am

i think flash is still powerful and good interactive,,

mohamed
Jul 19, 2010 at 2:15 am

i think the flash and AS3 its so suck .. for designers ..

Venkatesh
Jul 19, 2010 at 6:55 am

Hey comeon man just a minute back only one of my colleague told to me about the conflict going within apple and adobe. You are rite… what am started thinkin after coming to know the snippet about the conflict is by sure bunch of flash designers will get pink slip by very soon…

Venkatesh – Gulfwebstudio.com

chris
Jul 19, 2010 at 11:42 am

its all common sence really… if you make a big banner that has annoying means to get the users attention then it will be annoying.

big flashing images, looking like a window, (and in my opinion the most hated) resizing and covering up the content your actually trying to read and other tricks to constantly get attention… these are all examples of horrid use of banners, regardless of if its flash or not.

how ever, nice looking unintruding banners that just advertise their servise/product i have nothing agains.

the best a banner can be is one that look nice but can be ignored if the viewer wishes. if its constantly in their face and acting like a child contantly wanting attention it will have the opposit effect and put people off.

some of the best banners ive seen have been flash these being the interactive mini game one (the ones that where actually games that you could loose), but also the worst also was a flash banner, being the one fo midnight rose… the covers half the screen when you acidently hover over it…

flash isnt to blame, the designer is.

ncubica
Jul 19, 2010 at 11:13 pm

In a programmer/designer backEnd/Frontend view of point I can tell that build a rich application with javascript css2 and Ajax today, is a pain in the F#!”!ck #$!#%%&#SS but really easy to support and really well build it… the problem with the open free tools like css, xhtml, javascript, and any of you backend server choice, is required a really good qualify person to do the job, I mean is for example is you are build in an application with JAVA/PHP/Ruby on rail will be “cheap” || “free” option butttttttt!!! and here comes the but you need spend in a good tech person that really know the technology or instead you will have to paid a lot of newbie person that think can buil a app… (not offend)… Flash like ASP. net are a perfect niche where people can be more productive and more accurate in what they do… so Flash should have to live just for this reason and also because is really a great technology (by the way I hate really hate flash) but is great and I can’t share the thought of steve jobs to denied people a great technology just because he think is not great. And if you don’t think flash is great tell a 100% pure designer to do a simple site with just Javascript (prototype, scriptacolous, jquery, mootols, yui, tools) etc, and after ask him/her to do it with flash, what is going to be better for him/her not geek person????, I can bet flash || asp.net …

long live open tools =) prototype for me ..°°°°°°°

tedted
Jul 20, 2010 at 3:40 am

i like flash. the best application of animation

Bobby Jack
Jul 20, 2010 at 7:00 am

The flash comic in this very article appears not to work in Firefox (and maybe only works in IE). There’s a classic example of one of the drawbacks of flash :-)

Ignacio Roda
Jul 20, 2010 at 7:31 am

I like flash banners. But we don’t normally use them because we are scared that the client doesn’t have the correct player installed.

Nurbie
Jul 20, 2010 at 9:20 am

I loved flash… but Stevo now hates it, which makes it tough to work in… Still love it for environments and applications… still, stevo won’t run it.

So glad I got an MS to concentrate in flash development… I wonder what Stevie will hate next?

kyke
Jul 20, 2010 at 10:18 am

I think that html5 is more faster and compatible, but flash have more options, maybe html6 or 5.5 will be better..

filesforflash
Jul 20, 2010 at 1:14 pm

I think every technology is best at something. We should try to find ways to use them together.

business Catalyst Dev
Jul 20, 2010 at 3:06 pm

I believe, Flash is a great tool. It depends on the designer if he adds too much blinking and the like…

Patricia
Jul 20, 2010 at 5:57 pm

HATE Flash. I would welcome anything but Flash!

Bastian
Jul 21, 2010 at 2:58 am

Come on, flash had the big bang between 2004 and 2008. Nowadays most of the effects we create are made with jQuery. No painting, no complex programming required, but cool effects that are free from barriers.

And that is the future of the Internet!

Roy
Jul 21, 2010 at 5:47 am

i think flash is very interesting, for web, or to make simple story. i have already study it

Ferry to Europe
Jul 21, 2010 at 1:54 pm

I hate Flash, at least I hate that flash won’t work on my iPad – So maybe it should be Apple I hate!

Web Dizajn Bosna
Jul 21, 2010 at 7:55 pm

Flash is good, but not for web!

HybridIXStudio
Jul 22, 2010 at 2:23 am

i think flash will never die, and major reason is because youtube, you need a flash player to see youtube so the problem that people say is that people dont have flash installed so they can see your webpage, on the other side for SEO purposes i think having a flash website will kill your seo. so why can we have both xhtml-css + flash i mean it u can mix it in a perfect way i think the results will be much better imo.

Rees
Jul 22, 2010 at 4:11 am

I hate it when I open a page containing flash, the fan in my macBook runs as fast as it can!!!!

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Marcus Chadwick
Jul 22, 2010 at 10:25 am

Flash should move along now, it’s had it’s fun. It helped make everyones site look like “The Matrix” back in the day – lol! Now the the web is being viewed on so many platforms it has to be web standards all the way.

david
Jul 22, 2010 at 11:03 am

Flash is great! But it shouldn’t be necessary to play movies nor visiting a web.
However is great as complement, i think add’s must be flash, and infografy too

Peter
Jul 23, 2010 at 3:06 am

for content delivery flash isn’t great imo… but for advertisment it will stay i think.
unless we are going to use heavy video files for ads… flash will be better/lighter, otherwise we all could go work for television companies instead of the web.

Jermaine
Jul 23, 2010 at 1:17 pm

Anything flash can do JavaScript can do better!

Danny
Jul 24, 2010 at 1:52 pm

Flash is great, anyone who’s against it should try it some time.

Eric
Jul 24, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Javascript (jQuery), CSS3 and HTML5 FTW!

Ennesus
Jul 26, 2010 at 4:59 am

I think Flash is awesome, but not for the web.
So let’s use Flash only for Air applications.

Jess
Jul 26, 2010 at 9:04 am

My vote originally was with flash over the years, but seeing some of the examples that CSS3 is able to produce (notably after a big spike in activity since the IPad released), I think I’ll stick in the CSS3 and new technology camp myself!

Michael Swartz
Jul 26, 2010 at 5:05 pm

I don’t like it. It takes too long to develop (from a PM perspective) and most companies can’t afford the development.

Dandandan
Jul 27, 2010 at 12:13 am

Flash is fine, there is no need to be passionate or otherwise about it. If their is some other software good for creative types to create animation and/or script interaction in one package then please direct me – perhaps this package unknown to me is open-source yet easy to use for creative thinkers and with a Ubuntu Linux version – and I will switch to it and maybe to Ubuntu at the same time!

I feel Flash is the best for creating interactive design and artwork, whether it is games, webapps or just art. Artists such as Rafael Rozendaal need to make comment on this subject. See example of web-art at http://www.thepersistenceofsadness.com/

I would love to hear back from anyone who can deny my point utmost credibility. Do you wish that all things online become sterile, uniformly convergent and utterly processor efficient yada yada? Or perhaps Apple Corp should write a barcode on your wrist.

Arif
Jul 27, 2010 at 7:21 am

HTML 5 / CSS 3.0, Silverlight, JQuery… but Flash is still hot may be for next couple of years until any other technology take the place…

Mike C
Jul 27, 2010 at 11:44 am

Flash is great when done well, and minimal, like Javascript does everything :) haha.

Singlebits
Jul 27, 2010 at 8:42 pm

It’s good for advertisement.

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Jul 28, 2010 at 10:17 am

flash is good, great infact, just not for websites.

Alex
Jul 30, 2010 at 11:27 am

Ô yes, Flash is GREAT !!! No problem, you can do everythijng you want (and you want not), it’s flashy, clear, etc… But !!!
Look at this example, this article. Only A PART of the CONTENT is in flash… The rest…

So, ok, Flash is good… But not for WebSite, but for Content, or other application.

staypuftman
Jul 30, 2010 at 3:28 pm

Flash is in trouble not because of Apple but because of the ridiculous amount of system resources it takes up. If you use any machine with integrated graphics, your computer will struggle to play flash video. I don’t see how flash can translate into a world of smartphones and tablets where every microwatt counts.

HTML5/javascript/css3 could win just for that reason alone – and it’s probably the main reason why Apple has turned such a cold shoulder to Flash and Adobe in general. They lead the mobile market now and flash would cripple their device runtimes.

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Jul 30, 2010 at 6:00 pm

Flash is really a very good tool and any kind of graphics can be done. I can say i’m an addict to Flash

abhishek sinha
Jul 31, 2010 at 9:25 am

flash is way of life for 2dfreaks

Prasanth
Jul 31, 2010 at 10:56 pm

Hi all flash is just amazing software not only that but excellent software in color theory as a 2D Animator i would like lot to work in flash but sometimes i dislike action script in co due to scripting language but thats the gateway to show internet style banners in a web page to be a good animator one must know the basic drawing, color theory, animation principles, perspectives, pipeline, sound knowledge, camera view, storyboarding and mainly one must know how to act and make himself an a good actor or an fantastic 2D Animator … My first experience while working in a flash was little bit hard but when i noticed how to work and practiced twice i was able to work freely. It’s a best software for Animation purpose with tweening option in movie clip and as well as graphics … I am proud to be an animator and i am very very proud to say that in a million i am the one who use flash software for all the need not only animation but logo design, BG Design, Illustrating, Tracing, Etc … I suggest everyone to learn flash with interest nothing in hard when you learn with positive mind and with part of interest where if your flash animator your a second creator of living things after the great “GOD” … I thank the adobe team to invent a such a exciting and wonderful software for like us student cum professionals ….. And My Special Thanks to web designer wall team to give me an a opportunity to comment on this webpage with pleasure ….

Thank you once again …

– Prasanth.L
Creative Flash Designer.
T.N. India.

earl
Aug 2, 2010 at 3:42 am

flash is really nice in animation…..Very user friendly.. flash you can create interesting and superb action or movements….

Christopher Szydelko
Aug 2, 2010 at 12:08 pm

Lets look at this from the perspective of the web user. Time is short, when looking for information or products to buy, the pure flash driven website will always lose out because the majority of them are badly designed. They tend to place style over content and often leave the user guessing as to what to do and how to get out of an animation loop. In the right hands however and for the right product or service they can be compelling. I as a web developer who has used flash find it highly time consuming to produce great work, something a client doesn’t always appreciate. With clever use of jquery and css we can do a great deal of low level animation that degrades nicely and is accessible, something that flash sites are not good at. For me flash is dying and I am not too upset to see its demise.

Bosszy
Aug 2, 2010 at 12:25 pm

i think flash made website load slowly,

jessicuh
Aug 3, 2010 at 12:15 pm

I think Flash has its place among high-end sites but for most of the work I encounter, JQuery and CSS are definitely the way to go.

Junie Joseph
Aug 3, 2010 at 7:30 pm

Flash has become more of a heavy interactive art form then anything else. Flash sites usually focus on design, less on content, often confusing end-users. As far as the effects go, many can go without, or duplicate them to the best of their abilities, and still have a great site.

Having things that degrade beautifully, with unbeatable cross-browser support and swift loading time cannot be quite matched by flash. With HTML5, css, and jQuery all advancing, the use of flash is slowly dying.

However in spiffy portfolio sites and the occasional movie promo, flash really has its niche.

felipe
Aug 3, 2010 at 10:50 pm

le queda poca vida css3 + html5 es el futuro; a lo que es flash solo le veo vida para sitios de peliculas, ahora con los ejemplos html5 de apple mmmm creo que ni para eso flash va ser bueno

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orangepeel
Aug 5, 2010 at 4:43 am

Flash is great tool for video, e-learning apps etc and swf is an excellent medium as a portable container, which makes it great for creating campaign banners mobile apps etc. But that’s where it ends for me, especially with the advances of DOM scripting, almost anything that can be acheived with flash (AS) can now be handled with xhtml/css or html5/css along with the fantastic choice in javascript libraries such as JQuery, Moo Tools;-) also javascript is 100 X more search engine freindly than using flash movies which makes it a winner everytime for day to day web development which requires validation, asynchronous data, transitions and general effects…

Sagar S. Ranpise
Aug 5, 2010 at 7:50 am

Hi, I personally like flash and really enjoy it. And the best part is there is no issue of browser compatibility ;)

Norm
Aug 5, 2010 at 11:36 am

I like Flash. I have found a few quirks, but for the most part it is pretty cool. I will probably always use it in my web designs or at least until some new technology is developed that can out do Flash. :)

Tommy
Aug 6, 2010 at 3:40 am

I think that flash has done a good job in the past and given developers extraordinary ways to combine animation, sound and video.

That being said, flash now can’t compete in the long run and will soon be topped by HTML 5, CSS3 and jQuery.

Web Design Leeds
Aug 6, 2010 at 9:20 am

Flash is great. It’s still my application of choice for creative web design. Plus it’s great for presentations and drawing vector graphics – something no everybody seems to be aware of!

caina
Aug 6, 2010 at 6:31 pm

CSS3 is mazing, but while exist IE6, flash will be the only way to make a ricth internet aplication.

piyashrija
Aug 6, 2010 at 11:33 pm

flash vote +1

Mark
Aug 8, 2010 at 7:51 am

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Cesar Paternina
Aug 8, 2010 at 11:05 pm

Well, html5, css3 and javascript are still more difficult and time spendender than Flash animations. In the future we will use all kinds of plugins, software, to developed the more complex technology that is goingto appear.

Aidil
Aug 9, 2010 at 8:56 am

To do something thats interactive in a simple way in flash is easy. To do that in javascript and css takes more time, and i’ve hit walls many time with this… especially browser ‘walls’…That’s my experience…

BUT… i do feel javascript+css+html5/4/whathaveyou has its place.. as do flash..

Arif
Aug 10, 2010 at 3:37 am

Flash is still rocks, youtube movie is a great example of it. But some how we can’t forgot facebook web application which developed ajax based and a successful and user friendly web application… And now JQuery is coming so fast…

Sam
Aug 10, 2010 at 10:32 am

Flash works great in all browsers! Some people do things in Flash that are amazing, just like your cartoon. But I don’t use it as much as I used to because of the amount of time it takes to create a file and because I’m more concerned about SEO – that’s why I use JQuery.

What I don’t like… is how Apple does not include Flash on products like the iPhone. Why make the decision for us? How about they turn it off by default, then give us the option to turn it on with a warning about “battery life” or whatever excuse they used to not include it?

Give us a warning and let us decide?

czery
Aug 11, 2010 at 4:30 am

I think Flash is playing a huge part in allowing artists to port their creativity to the web. HTML5/CSS3 will be a serious opponent for Flash. But I think it will take a long time for HTML and CSS to be as easy to use and as good looking as Flash is now. Flash will – at least for the next years – always be a little bit ahead.

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Aug 11, 2010 at 3:49 pm

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Aug 11, 2010 at 3:53 pm

Flash makes the websites attractive but it also make the website little bit heavy so it takes bit more time to load when internet speed is slow. Flash now a days getting very popular.By flash very good effects can be put on websites.

paul
Aug 14, 2010 at 1:52 pm

Haven’t found anything but Flash that will show my 360 panoramas as well. OK Java works but Flash rules for 360.

Daniel
Aug 14, 2010 at 3:49 pm

Too late? Well here we go anyway:

I don’t like Flash at all because of the negative SEO aspects it carry.

HTML5 will hopefully remove the problem for us.

Rolf Moczarski
Aug 16, 2010 at 8:30 am

Really nice article thank you for sharing it, i send it to some people of my Designfriedns, really great stuff !

dave sheldon
Aug 18, 2010 at 4:57 pm

Flash… Well i for one support it. I can’t really see any reason why it should be boycoted. Yes some like it some dont, why cant we just have it as an additional tool. Then as a developer your have the choice to either use it or not. Its not doing any harm on the net… i say leave it be.

Miriam Isaac
Aug 19, 2010 at 4:53 am

I think flash does play an important part in web design, it’s does make the website more attractive but I find to make changes when a client wants them in an already complex flash show taht took you hours to make is so annoying!!!

Udaya
Aug 21, 2010 at 5:44 pm

Flash is the best softwares everyone enjoys especially me…….

Qamar
Aug 24, 2010 at 6:26 am

flash is very usefull ilike it so much it make the web very easy i think play important rull in our life

Ravikumar V.
Aug 25, 2010 at 10:14 pm

we cannot fully avoid flash. I am suggesting that we can show animation in banners “only in start up”, no more repeated animations. That may be cool.

En Tay
Aug 26, 2010 at 3:26 am

Animated banner makes simple “message” become more interesting.

ImNotAWebDesigner
Aug 27, 2010 at 9:26 am

The reason as it was explained to me by informed people, is that Apple AND MICROSOFT don’t support Flash on certain devices because they both stand to lose money from it. Mostly in the form of games, apps and such. Why spend $$$ using iTunes and the like to download games/apps, when you can just make your own using Flash, or get them for free from somewhere other than iTunes, etc? Everyone gets their undies in a bunch when it comes to people finding ways of getting stuff for free.

iplayatwork
Aug 29, 2010 at 5:35 am

Flash is a necessity to deliver an interactive project. The only problem with flash is that it is being abused by designers.

scott
Aug 30, 2010 at 2:00 am

Just like Lens Flares, and Drop Shadows, Flash has a time and place. As a designer I use it to compliment a design and make it interactive, or to deliver rich content I can’t produce without it. I use it only when absolutely necessary. As far as Animated Banners are concerned, if they are quick to load and tastefully done I don’t have a problem with them, especially if I can hide them from view or ignore them if I’m not interested. It’s when they takeover the browser and bombard my screen with junk, that they bother me. So I am middle of the road on this one. The comic is very true to life though in my experience with designers vs. programmers.

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Aug 30, 2010 at 7:11 pm

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Mike R
Aug 31, 2010 at 6:54 am

Until something better comes along (silverlight ain’t up to it yet and you need a degree in it to understand the thing!) flash will always have it’s uses. I can use flash to a point but can’t do some of the amazing stuff it’s capable of and have always championed it.

However thinking more deeply about it i spend less and less time on purely flash based websites and when i do it is about 5 minutes play before i get bored.

Flash can’t dress up a lack of content so dont use it for that. Games, banners, videos etc are areas flash can excel in.

Flash isn’t going anywhere soon so we might as well accept its existence whether we choose to use it or not.

Jason
Aug 31, 2010 at 11:18 am

When it comes to rich media, Flash is still a major player. However, I’m afraid that the end is near for Flash. In 5 years from now, we won’t be having this debate.

Cesar Castro
Aug 31, 2010 at 4:46 pm

Flash is only for banners, because the only thing good in flash is the animation, since the quick development of a RIA is no longer due to the increasing complexity of the flash platform.

Web Pro Fast
Sep 1, 2010 at 3:55 pm

Flash is good for simple animations, like text, slideshows, WordPress file uploader, etc… The main reason I never use much Flash is my number one concern when designing is to make sure the content can be ready by search engine spiders. What’s the point of having a beautiful Flash site only to be listed #69312 of a million possible results? Plus Flash ads sometime roll across the whole screen and that is just an annoyance to be avoided at all costs.

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Sep 1, 2010 at 5:03 pm

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Arly
Sep 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm

If according to Adobe vs. Apple, I would agree with Adobe’s statement where no one can’t judge internet users to what platform they have to use for; for this case, Apple (Steve Jobs to be exact) that says he would prefer not to use Flash in his iPhones since HTML5 would be better than Flash.

Not to say that Steve Jobs is entirely false for his statement, HTML5 is indeed strong and lightweight, however Adobe Flash is totally becoming a different or unique platform indeed. If I want to assume, I would see in the future that developers could be in two ways: HTML5 developers and Flash developers. One reason is because Flash has already been there for everyone since 1996+, and later after that the Action Script has become a mature scripting language on its 3rd version which has supported Object Oriented Language, giving developers a wide range of applications in Flash instead of just being an animation tool since its first supposedly built for.

In the end Adobe Flash will have its own market for 10 – 20 years on, while HTML5 will still growing since currently not all browsers are enough to support HTML5 and it takes approximately 15 years for people to adapt on the technology, just like people adapt on AJAX techniques. In summary, I would say that Adobe Flash will wonderfully survive for 10 – 20 years in the future and still becoming the most wanted and unique platform in the market.

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Sep 9, 2010 at 10:52 am

I think building a whole site in flash isn’t the best idea because the websites take longer to load, and they aren’t viewable on iphones, which, is taking a larger portion of the market share each month.

I think Flash elements on webpages is a much better use of flash.

I think HTML 5 is going to bring a new dimension to the digital world.

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Sep 19, 2010 at 10:15 am

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Sep 19, 2010 at 5:51 pm

Flash is a way for designers to become developers and programmers to become designers as well as developers. Its a way to even the playing field if your trying to say one is better than the other. For me as a developer starting my own company I either had to learn all the programs individually at once including all the code and be able to contend with decent companies to get a business growing. Or, I could learn one program and branch off into others as need be while learning the different programs other developers use in my spare time. After roughly 10+ years of just barely making it I can say that with out flash I would not have been able to grow as a developer, designer, and programmer the way I have and at the speed in which I have done so. I am now standing at 15 clients strong and growing, no where near my goal and still a very small part of the design world but a very passionate artist at heart.

Flash isnt better or worse to me, its the happy medium. It brings us all together and allows everyone to develop something with some bit of ease and without having a degree to understand the program or code.

Thanks to Adam Khoury (developphp.com)
gotoandlearn.com
cartoonflash.com
activetuts+
tuts+ (basically all of the tuts sites)
tutvid.com

Jesus Christ for the gifts you have given me.

All the other designers / developers / programmers for keeping your own passion alive so that designers who are still learning and always will be, have something to inspire them to keep pressing on. To companies like loungelizard.com who take the box and rip it to shreds.

In time I only can hope that I too will be an inspiration to someone, and be able to grow my company or work for someone where I can live my passion day in and day out. To quit the daily grind and come home to fall back into love with the art I call Web Development.

Peter Garrett
Sep 20, 2010 at 2:54 am

I think Apple are being really short sighted. You have to look at the open nature of Google, and in turn it’s huuge success as an example of why it’s best not to control and limit the way in which your users interact with the online world. The internet is, after all, an idea; An open community where you are able to build, share and profit in which every medium is best for you and your users.
Flash will never satisfy everyone and nor will any other technology – such is the colour of life!

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Sep 24, 2010 at 1:44 am

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Oct 4, 2010 at 7:08 pm

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Oct 6, 2010 at 8:26 pm

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Hev
Oct 12, 2010 at 11:38 am

Personally, I do not like Flash. It slows my system down & hogs my resources. I never use it & never will. I don’t care to even learn it.

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Oct 18, 2010 at 6:05 am

I like flash banner and animation. It makes website more creative and attractive. When you market or launch your new product and service on the Internet with the use of Flash based website, then it will make your reputation different from others.

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Remy Hair
Oct 19, 2010 at 6:25 am

If it is compared to a jewelry, its like a gold ring with a diamond on top..

John
Oct 21, 2010 at 4:16 pm

personally i think it has a place, it can do great things if used wisely. but for the majority of websites, its unnecessary. you can do amazing things with jquery and css these days. if you need a carousel like banner on your page, you dont need flash for that, takes longer to load and for users still on dial up (they’re out there) its just annoys them and they may leave your site. especially if the navigation is contained in the flash object.

but if you wanted to a a rich multimedia application like video/audio editing now i would go with flash/silverlight over html5. but that will likely change in the next 5 years.

i wrote a blog post about my feelings on flash, http://reven.co.nz/post/my-no-flash-rant

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Nov 5, 2010 at 11:06 am

yes i do hate it. only because i don’t understand how to use it…yet!

John
Nov 6, 2010 at 12:52 am

Flash has its place… it’s definitely not video, comic strips, etc. It’s surprisingly becoming more relevant with fonts and will always have a place with interactive animations.. banners.. maybe. Bannersnack is pretty sweet though!

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Nov 14, 2010 at 3:42 pm

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FrApple
Nov 16, 2010 at 7:54 am

I know I’m a little late coming to this post but just wanted add my opinion to this. I’m a flash developer and cannot see it dying out any time soon (strange I should say that :) ). However, HTML5 and JQuery are awesome and there is definitely a place for them to replace flash in simple things like carousels etc.
People talk about what will happen in 5 years time when HTML 5 is standard but they fail to take into account what flash will be like in 5 years time too. It’s getting better all the time – the connectivity, the integration with databases, it’s just so sophisticated and does things at the moment that HTML and javascript alone cannot do. In 5 years, due to the recent Apple/Adobe dispute, I think it’s going to be simply wonderful due to the necessity to make it so.

Luke Sheppard
Nov 19, 2010 at 8:11 am

I used to use a LOT of Flash (as did most designers I guess) but, with the advances in javascript libraries, HTML5, etc., I can never justify using it anymore.

It is not accessible, uses a lot of resources and is a general pain to use. You just have to look at the code necessary to insert a simple .swf file into an html document in order to clearly see its limitations. Cross-browser testing is enough of a pain without adding flash elements into the mix.

Die Flash Die! You’ve had your day, let’s move on!

Luke Sheppard
Nov 19, 2010 at 8:14 am

Oh, and you just need to visit the 2Advanced website to get a clear indication of all that is wrong with Flash.

I know so many people who think that website is one of the greatest examples of web design in history and, yeah, it looks great (in a geek’s wet-dream kinda way) but the site is close to unnavigable!

Matt
Nov 22, 2010 at 7:05 am

i Like flash as it’s a design tool and u dn;t realy have to know how to develop stuff. see my website how i used flash as a aditional stuf i don wven know how to do it in jQ. so i think that fash is good for designers

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Nov 27, 2010 at 12:04 pm

I think it was very useful article for
any designer.It help any site more creative.

Guna
Nov 28, 2010 at 11:59 pm

I think flash have something that jquery and html 5 can’t do..i don’t know what will happen in the future..but flash will be there i think with more advance technology, simplicity, feature to make designer or programmer visualize their vision into real artwork…because flash show that not only programmer who can use it, just a little effort to read the help and tutorial..and then “wow” you will amaze yourself with what you made with flash…it’s like you are designer and programmer…:) don’t make flash disappear…”Save Flash”!!!

Website design
Dec 14, 2010 at 3:09 pm

Great post, great blog!

Henry Peise
Dec 24, 2010 at 3:55 am

It’s a great post. But i would like to know more about the iphone 4 white imformation.

Juno Mindoes
Dec 25, 2010 at 3:13 am

As you can see the iPhone 3G has a problem getting a sharp focus on objects that are close to the lens. The photo is blurry and very grainy compare with white iphone 4

Udy
Jan 11, 2011 at 7:24 am

Flash is an awesome application. It can bring you various design forms from a banner to a rich application, interactive website, etc.
Any way, there’s no ‘best’. Which is the best? It just depends on client’s needs or target audience. Every technology has its pro and con. Choosing appropriate tool with the right audience/client (and other important factors as well) is the most important.

Ben
Jan 15, 2011 at 1:32 am

It’s nice to once and for all find a web site where the blogger knows what they are talking about.

zach mathews
Jan 29, 2011 at 3:24 pm

flash sucks javascript, CSS3, and HTML5 are the way of the future.
flash is too slow

Moses Kurniawan
Jan 31, 2011 at 10:58 pm

I am not using flash for my web *not* because it is distracting, but it is a cpu-hog and memory-eating software!

Reference :
http://mokalovesoulmate.posterous.com/adobe-flash-is-cpu-hog-software-thats-why-it

APEX
Feb 2, 2011 at 1:10 pm

I think most of the people tend to hate flash because there are many annoy ads with horrible designs out there simply abusing the great variety of features offered by flash. It is a very powerful tool that can be used to create absolutely stunning designs, but it is also very easy for creators to over-extend themselves and put in too many unnecessary components and clutter up their websites with it.

I think it’s still a bit early to predict the future of flash, as a lot of people still misunderstand the right way to implement flash as a part of their website. Personally I love flash for the ability and freedom it gives designers to create animations on their websites with little to no knowledge of programming at all.

pedromau
Feb 3, 2011 at 6:37 am

CSS3, javascript and HTML5 together, still can’t compare to flash.
When those 3 get to function and flow as well as flash goes now, flash will be even better than it is now.
So, I think I’m not worried about the future of flash…
Both “techniques” can be used and live side by side… just depends on what you need to create and/or implement.

Webeder
Feb 22, 2011 at 2:13 am

In my opinion, flash is a good tool. But keep in mind that not only flash man lives. A house can not be manufactured only with a hammer. To make great animation with flash is essential to know principles of animation, among other factors.

Thank you all, good luck!

fumar porros
Mar 4, 2011 at 2:17 pm

flash sucks…
css3 sucks…
html5 sucks…
ie sucks…

someone is always against something…

Jared - Stealth Web Designs
Mar 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm

Just another tool for the job. Just too bad apple has a hate on for them.

soeb
Apr 7, 2011 at 1:48 am

I agree with APEX. I’hv also heard the negative comments about flash i personally love flash as it has ability to make animations far more smoother then Jquery. And one of the best feature about flash it that is has the ability to make SMALLER file size. Try to put higher file size image in flash and then export the SWF of it and check the size.

Here you can see the Creative Use of FLASH
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/04/02/39-creative-flash-designs/

Xfinity
Apr 12, 2011 at 6:20 am

nice information …thanks for the update

dexx
Apr 17, 2011 at 3:06 pm

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Davide
Apr 18, 2011 at 2:58 am

Flash is made for advertising web site.
Animation is the best thing that flash does, but also video (total control).
I must admit that css, html5 and jquey will never could be at the same level.
Fot the rest of web site the html5 standard works better (usabiliy, accessibility, speed, ect)

Xfinity TV
Jun 2, 2011 at 3:32 pm

There really is no #1 option becuase it depends on what you are wanting to do with your site. I think flash is a great tool especially when used with other ones like java…

Enrique Dominguez
Jun 8, 2011 at 8:18 pm

Flash in one of many great tools available for designers.
The really important thing here is talent.
As I know, we can´t buy talent from any software developer.
Work! Create! Innovate!

That´s the secret!

Ali
Jun 13, 2011 at 8:05 am

Who Flash? What Flash? you talking history :)

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Jul 13, 2011 at 11:18 pm

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orhanbt
Jul 15, 2011 at 4:28 pm

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Kamera CCTV
Aug 22, 2011 at 10:37 pm

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complex41
Aug 23, 2011 at 2:08 pm

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ห้องน้ำ
Aug 31, 2011 at 2:11 am

I must admit that css, html5 and jquey will never could be at the same level.

j_hatfield
Sep 11, 2011 at 8:50 pm

Personally I think Flash is on it’s way out with the slow load time, and poor results for googles searches. I think this explains it pretty well:

http://www.back40design.com/news/m.blog/22/old-flash-vs-new-accessible

edwardc
Oct 20, 2011 at 9:21 pm

flash banners are the best, period.
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Solvonix
Nov 11, 2011 at 1:14 am

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SEO
Mar 26, 2012 at 1:07 am

This’s a great design for website like java scripts.

Protecstaff
May 15, 2012 at 12:47 am

I must admit that css, html5 and jquey will never could be at the same level. Thank you.

amit
Jun 1, 2012 at 6:06 am

I must admit that css, html5 and jquey will never could be at the same level.

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Dymo Labels
May 31, 2013 at 2:59 am

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